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Post by halfwise Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:19 am

There is a Norse nugget of wisdom from one of the eddas or something: "Never trust a man if you've killed his father." (nod head sagely).  They were deep and subtle, these Vikings.

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Post by halfwise Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:21 pm

Interesting - seems Joel Coen is now making movies solo, and we may never see another Coen brother's film. the Tragedy of Macbeth just came out in limited release.


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Post by Pettytyrant101 Thu Dec 30, 2021 11:03 am

{{ Hoping to see this soon. Macbeth is probably my favourite Shakespeare play, sadly the trailer tells me nothing important about the film, as there is so little dialogue in it. Not bothered at them casting a black actor to play an 11th Century Scottish King in this case as Shakespeare's version of events is pure fiction anyway. The real Macbeth is considered one of the better, just Kings of Scotland and Lady Macbeth was a positive saint, renowned and adored for her work with the poor and charities and her petitions to Rome and the Pope on behalf of the poor. Making him black is the least of its problems historically. I do wonder what accent he will have. So few sadly make Macbeth Scottish, though oddly more often than not Lady Macbeth is.}}

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Thu Dec 30, 2021 1:31 pm

{{ Just watched it. Heres my thoughts-

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Post by halfwise Thu Dec 30, 2021 2:56 pm

that's too bad.  the Coen brothers have adapted other texts to high acclaim (No Country for Old Men, True Grit), so I was interested to see how one of them would do with Shakespeare.  Though I love Denzel Washington, it's hard to imagine him portraying someone with character flaws.  That's why I thought he'd make a good Faramir.  I'm trying to think of a role he did where he played a bad guy, or even a flawed hero.  Can't come up with one.

EDIT: I've never seen Training Day, but I see he plays a corrupt cop in that. I may have to look that one up.

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Post by Mrs Figg Thu Dec 30, 2021 3:28 pm

They might as well have used Tom Hanks No Denzel Washington is one of the cool good guys.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sat Jan 01, 2022 12:33 am

{{ Looking at critical reviews of it and rotten tomatoes scores of 94% from critics and 85% audience it seems I am in a minority on this one. But I stand by my crabbit review. If you want to see a version that feels deliberately staged then yes this is for you. But I prefer being immersed in a film not feeling like Im watching bits obviously being moved about. And Denzel will never convince me he is Macbeth.}}

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Post by halfwise Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:16 pm

I'm trying to think of Shakespeare films in which American actors figure prominently (haven't seen the Leo and Claire Danes version of Romeo and Juliet) that worked. I thought the version of Midsummer's Night Dream with Calista Flockhart and Stanley Tucci worked great, but don't remember if they did anything with their accents. Nothing else is coming to mind.

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Post by Mrs Figg Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:21 pm

How about the Merchant of Venice with Al Pacino. That was a great film.
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Post by halfwise Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:07 pm

Ah yes! I think it might have worked because of Pacino's Italian inflected New York accent, which also can sound a bit Jewish.

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Post by halfwise Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:16 pm

BTW a series I enjoy very much is the PBS Uncovering Shakespeare where actors from various notable roles host an exploration of the play they were in. It's so well done that I don't miss an episode if I can help it.

https://www.pbs.org/wnet/shakespeare-uncovered/

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Post by chris63 Sat Apr 30, 2022 7:25 am

This looks extremely good.


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Post by halfwise Sat Apr 30, 2022 11:56 am

Ooo....apple TV doing something right.

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Post by azriel Sat Apr 30, 2022 2:57 pm

Oh wow ! that looks phenomenal ! Right up my alley Smile Computerisation has really made these creatures real and so believable !

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Post by Mrs Figg Sat Apr 30, 2022 5:48 pm

Shocked that looks amazing! That's a whole new level of wowzer.
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Post by azriel Sun May 01, 2022 5:12 pm

If you could go back in time and see it all ! how it really was, the sounds, smells and the colours. Better be invisible I reckon or your dog meat pale

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Post by Forest Shepherd Tue May 10, 2022 4:22 am

Holy flippin' heck, the mad lads are actually doing it:


When it comes out in December of this year it will have been 4,746 days since the first movie, or, 12 years, 11 months, and 28 days.

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Post by halfwise Tue May 10, 2022 2:37 pm

I take it you really liked the first one? Like all of Cameron's work I found the writing to be a bit ham handed, and hope he passes that job off to someone with depth.

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Post by Mrs Figg Tue May 10, 2022 4:22 pm

I liked the first one but only when they were getting on with it in the alien world, the human bits were boring.
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Post by Forest Shepherd Tue May 10, 2022 5:19 pm

The writing was middling. But the visuals were amazing.

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Post by azriel Tue May 10, 2022 10:30 pm

I cant believe its been that long ago since the 1st Avatar !!!!

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