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Post by Mrs Figg Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:37 pm

She didn't cut her hair off in the book, and I guess that made it easier for Eomer to find her among the slain. Also in the house of healing when she met Faramir and they were both on the ramparts looking out, the book describes their long hair mingling in the wind, gold and black.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:55 am

{{ Yup but they did in the film, before changing their minds again. Its most notable in the scene on route to Minas Tirith where she talks with Merry, but the way its shot you could assume she just sort of tucked it into the armour (probably why that scene got kept in), but you can see at the front its being cut short. My guess is they had one of those often seen scenes where woman pretends to be man of in front of mirror chopping it off with a knife.}}

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Post by Forest Shepherd Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:55 am

The ships in the movie are apparently manned by the spirits from below-decks, so I don't know that they really hit that one out of the park in terms of practical credulity.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:30 am

{{ ah, so thats there excuse for how Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli managed to man and sail a fleet of ships on their own. Those films, but particulary Return of the King, only get worse the more you think about them. Mad }}

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Post by halfwise Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:12 pm

Sort of coming out of nowhere but since Ian McKellan dominated the LotR films I thought it would fit here.  We never see a young Ian McKellan, and in this clip I'm struck by how much he looks like Leonard Nimoy.  It's also interesting to hear the fine details of the acting craft.


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Post by halfwise Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:29 pm

So I couldn't find the thread which I know exists where people have read the books or seen the movies for the first time.  So the first time in 4 years will have to do.

Here's a bubbly young lady who has has neither read or watched in Tolkien in her young life, and now is first reading The Hobbit and LotR for the first time, then watching the films (fortunately in order of production).  She covers the books in the first half hour (Hobbit is over by minute 7), so you can break things up.  For the Hobbit I enjoyed her comment "this group seems to get captured left and right".  I'll watch this in parts, enjoying her reactions. (Ack! She's listening to books on tape instead of reading! (but that was because she felt first half of Fellowship dragged, she really got into it after the Council of Elrond).)


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Post by Mrs Figg Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:38 pm

"dragged" ?? that's the best bit of the book. I don't think kids have the patience necessary for slower paced stuff, they are expecting heads to be blown off every 5 seconds.
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Post by halfwise Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:46 pm

She later got into the writing style, and discovered that her problem was her pressure to make video clips of her experience.  Once she took a break from making videos she really began to appreciate his style.  In fact by the middle of the Two Towers she traded in her library book for one she bought (omnibus version).  The cute thing is that she had put colored bookmarks all through the library book to mark her favorite parts to talk about, and was really excited to go back and transfer them to her own book, revisiting those passages in the process.  All is forgiven, kiddo.

In fact she was so transformed that by the end she was rather put out that the reunion of the Fellowship after Frodo and Sam were brought out of Mt Doom was over all too quick. She wanted it to go on for pages. It's been fun watching her get slowly pulled out of the modern world and converted into a Tolkien fan.

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Post by halfwise Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:12 pm

She made an interesting point about Boromir: in the film it was made apparent that many of his jackass qualities came from the influence of the ring, which was only seen during the river trip in the book. An interesting observation.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:22 pm

{{ More like in the films its clumsily and heavy handed sign posting at every turn "Already the Fellowship is failing. One among you will betray you. You know of whom I speak!" from Galadriel, or when they are entering Moria and Gandalf makes a similar warning to Frodo just as Boormir walks by them and does all but waggle his eyebrows knowingly.

I much prefer the books subtly and the book plays more on the reasons why the Ring would find a suitable person to work on in Bormoir- his love for his people and city and his desire to preserve it, his own knowledge that his fathers rule and probably his mind is failing. His fear that Gondor itsel fis failing and will fall. That he would see the Ring as a fair means to defeat Sauron, use his own strengths againt Him for the good of all only works and makes sense if we know thats what motivates him. The film, particularly the theatrical version which lacks the conversation about the White Tower he has with Aragorn in Lothlorien is particuarly poor at conveying Boromirs motivations. }}

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