Game of Thrones [2]

yep, I count 5 out of 6 of those who would not let themselves be manipulated. There may be sexual pandering, yes; but sexism? I really don't see it any more than most modern shows have it. Why GoT gets singled out when it has done more to put women in strong roles than any other show is sort of beyond me.

Who is saying it's okay elsewhere while it's wrong in GoTs? No one.

Who is saying it's okay in GoTs because it is wrong elsewhere? You, it seems.

Sorry, I don't follow your logic. No one has claimed there isn't a lot of things wrong with other tv-shows. The people you have labelled hysterics have written plenty on these matters in other contexts.

Mrs Figg wrote:D&D don't need to defend themselves over non existent sexism, why should they pander to the ridiculous criticisms.

Non-existant sexism? On the show that turned a male character into a female one, because a mother being killed by zombie children, leaving her own children unprotected and probably impendingly dead, would have more emmotional ressonance.

That's one of your strong women right there.

I'm sorry guys, for anyone having seen the last season professing those views. That's impressively blinkered. (And you both seem to buy into the PR, which is.. impressive too. )

Let's talk when you've woken up to the realities of the show.

Ah, I'm sorry. I'm really tired and not in a great mood.

I do stand by all I've said, but please be aware it's nothing personal.

I just really detest this show. (And I think my reasons for doing so are more than a little valid.)

Bluebottle wrote:Who is saying it's okay elsewhere while it's wrong in GoTs? No one.

Who is saying it's okay in GoTs because it is wrong elsewhere? You, it seems.

Sorry, I don't follow your logic. No one has claimed there isn't a lot of things wrong with other tv-shows. The people you have labelled hysterics have written plenty on these matters in other contexts.

The point is that it's no worse in GoT than in other shows, yet it seems to be receiving the maximum venom.

I'll go further. People ARE picking out things that would get by in other shows, and turning them upside down claiming there are things there that are not. To me the main demonstration of this point is the now infamous Tyrion with prostitutes scene. In the show as opposed to the books, he chose NOT to rape someone. The critics jump in saying "oh, that's just making a male hero out of Tyrion! How sexist!" (Really??) Reverse book and show, and the same people would most certainly be saying "They put a rape scene in there just because they're misogynistic!" Everything done in the show is seen and dissected with this preset mentality. Try watching it like any other show for a change. Reading the critics you post just wears me out with the deliberate snarkiness.

I for one don't mind women on top - leaves you with an extra pair of hands which can be put to good use

(((Ringo out of thread)))

@Ringo

Are you applauding her, you .... or just the general happy situation?

I can only speak for myself, but I come here to try to have a good time talking about topics that are interesting and enjoyable for me. I try to keep in mind the fact that entertainment is more or less an ultimately pointless diversion from our everyday lives. I have spent plenty of time on this and other forums discussing and sometimes criticizing entertainment that I found disappointing, but I've tried (albeit not always successfully) to keep a sense of light-heartedness or at least self-awareness about it. If the relentless insults, baseless psychologizing about strangers, and unpleasant vitriol that have characterized this thread for most of the past year continue to be the accepted standard of discussion once the new season begins, I won't be sticking around. It certainly doesn't look to me like anyone is having fun whenever this thread takes another dip into the mud, but I don't claim to be a mind-reader. I'll miss getting to talk about ASOIAF/GOT with you guys, but it's only worth it for so long.

Oh, I'll leave off.. I guess I was mostly reacting to the tone with which criticism was being dismissed.. (That's not to say I reacted in a good way, now.) The show is starting again soon, and as I've said before I don't begrudge anyone enjoying it. (Even if I wont be.)

So, enjoy everyone.

halfwise wrote:yep, I count 5 out of 6 of those who would not let themselves be manipulated.  There may be sexual pandering, yes; but sexism?  I really don't see it any more than most modern shows have it.  Why GoT gets singled out when it has done more to put women in strong roles than any other show is sort of beyond me.

I couldn't agree more Halfy. GOT has some of the most uniquely strong minded and non conventional women I have ever seen on tv. These are women who are the opposite of conventionally Hollywood pretty and yet who have important roles, who have their own uncompromising determination and individuality, women who defy most sexist stereotypes on tv. They are the opposite of the usual vacuous dollybirds in fantasy films. Take Yara or Arya, or Cat Tully, Brienne, Gilly, Olenna Tyrell. Where on earth do you find female characters like this on tv. answer, nowhere. These are real women.

Bluebottle wrote:

Mrs Figg wrote:D&D don't need to defend themselves over non existent sexism, why should they pander to the ridiculous criticisms.

Non-existant sexism? On the show that turned a male character into a female one, because a mother being killed by zombie children, leaving her own children unprotected and probably impendingly dead, would have more emmotional ressonance.

That's one of your strong women right there.

wot?

aw so cute

http://time.com/4280629/game-of-thrones-kit-harington-rose-leslie-dating/

Is the interviewer Scottish or Irish? She sounds like Kelly Macdonald (scottish) doing an Irish accent, so I'm really not sure.

Maisie can't help but be adorable. I love the way she says "whinging".

Mrs Figg wrote:

'Why GoT gets singled out when it has done more to put women in strong roles than any other show is sort of beyond me.......The point is that it's no worse in GoT than in other shows, yet it seems to be receiving the maximum venom.
I'll go further. People ARE picking out things that would get by in other shows, and turning them upside down claiming there are things there that are not.'- Halfy



{{{ Replace GOT with Who and thats almost exactly what my defence of Who has been against similar charges! }}}}

{{{ Hey! The only thing that keeps me from worrying I'm all wrong about GoT is that Figgy think's it's non-sexist, while thinking every word Moffat writes drips with it. Don't pull my backboard away from me! }}}

{{{ And while we're at it, tell me if that interviewer is Irish or Scottish, will you? I'm obsessed with Kelly Macdonald's accent (or maybe just her general speaking mannerisms), so I'd like to know. }}}

{{{Um is she not Chinese? She doesn't sound Scottish or Irish to me!}}

{{ What?  Don't be fooled by the chinese captions: that's Irish or Scottish.  Obviously.   }}

{{ here Kelly Macdonald is being herself:

and here she is being an irish character (the best I could find, first minute only; not what I would choose)
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{{ Ok, figured it out. the interviewer is from Hong-Kong. Though they normally have British rather than Scottish/Irish accents. Must sound like Scottish with a Chinese accent to you, but all I hear is the Scottish. }}

'Must sound like Scottish with a Chinese accent to you'- Halfy

{{I thought she sounded chinese with a chinese accent! Kelly is from Glasgow. Its a west coast accent. Though thats the softer sounding version for television and non-Scots (or people from the east coast as we also call them) or she is from the posher west-end of Glasgow. Real Glasgow is more like this-

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{{{ Given that you only hear a chinese accent and I only heard a Scottish accent, that caps it: the interviewer was chinese who had learned English while in Scotland. }}}

Maisie said theres going to be a twist as regards Jon Snow. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN??????