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Post by Pettytyrant101 Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:00 pm

A place to pose question, cunundrums or riddles, or whatever you like. Doesn't have to be Tolkien related although to get things started my question is.

What age was Pippin during LotR's? scratch

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Post by Eldorion Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:31 pm

I assume we can't just look up the answers via Google or the books? Razz

I believe Pippin was 29, since IIRC he was four years from his "coming of age". Smile
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:44 pm

Oooh and you a lore master too Eldo! Incorrect- although I can see why you made that mistake.

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Post by Eldorion Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:37 pm

Pippin said he was 29 in the first chapter of RotK when he was talking to Bergil, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. Wink
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:20 pm

Very Happy I believe Eldo you are thinking of his conversation with Beregond, in which Pippin says, "I am still little more than a boy in the reckoning of my own people, and it will be four years before I "come of age", as we say in the Shire."

But your still wrong he is not 29!

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Post by Eldorion Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:30 pm

Oooh, clever Petty. Laughing Or foolish Eldo. He's nearly 29, yes (though it is the conversation with Bergil where he says that). Razz
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:31 pm

cheers 'twas a sneaky one I admit. Very Happy

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Post by The Wobbit A Parody Thu Oct 27, 2011 10:02 pm

How many non-humanoid creatures can speak in The Hobbit, but not in LOTR?

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Post by Tinuviel Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:06 am

6 (and that's a shot in the dark)

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Post by Anne Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:26 am

One --- or maybe two, if we count that fox in the shire???? I think the eagle spoke to Gandalf.

Edit: Whoops! No fox in The Hobbit! Laughing And I don't mention the Ents. I guess they may be kind of humanoid? Shrugging

Edit: And could Shelob talk to Gollum???

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Post by The Wobbit A Parody Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:21 am

I may be wrong, but The Hobbit features talk from the following non-humanoids who could not talk in LOTR:

1. Giant Spiders
2. Wargs
3. Giant Eagles (Good one, Anne! I would have forgotten it!)

It's interesting the Smaug could talk, but the Balrog didn't (and didn't fly, either). Not the same thing, though. Also, Anne mentions the Ents, who DID talk in LOTR, but the angry Mirkwood trees did NOT talk in [/u]The Hobbit[u].

Tinuviel, your answer was insightful and to-the-point, and I cannot disprove it.

What creatures am I forgetting?

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:11 am

The eagles talk in both dont they? Gwahir talks to Gandalf when he's rescued from Orthanc, and one of them sings to Faramir and Eowyn when it brings the news of the fall of Sauron to them.

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Post by Orwell Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:38 am

How did Shelob and Gollum communicate, I wonder.

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Post by Eldorion Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:25 pm

Shelob's forebear (Ungoliant) and descendants (in Mirkwood) could all talk so I don't think it's a huge leap to say that Shelob could too. study
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Post by The Wobbit A Parody Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:52 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:The eagles talk in both dont they? Gwahir talks to Gandalf when he's rescued from Orthanc, and one of them sings to Faramir and Eowyn when it brings the news of the fall of Sauron to them.

I completely forgot about this. Good one, PT!

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Post by The Wobbit A Parody Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:55 pm

Eldorion wrote:Shelob's forebear (Ungoliant) and descendants (in Mirkwood) could all talk so I don't think it's a huge leap to say that Shelob could too. study

It seems fair to assume that Shelob could talk, but was not quoted in the book. Although I had never envisioned her talking with Gollum, I assumed it was some sort of empathy, or one of Gollum's conversations with himself that he attributed to Shelob. Which is, I admit, a bit of a stretch.
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Post by Forest Shepherd Sat Dec 18, 2021 9:35 pm

Quiz time!

Which members of the Fellowship do we never see smoking pipeweed in the books?

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Post by Mrs Figg Sat Dec 18, 2021 10:26 pm

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Post by halfwise Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:28 pm

+ Boromir....Frodo! (and Sam?)

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Post by halfwise Sun Dec 19, 2021 3:29 pm

Going back a bit, I also have a hard time envisioning Shelob talking, and see it the same way Paul did.

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Post by Forest Shepherd Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:08 pm

Trick question, they all smoke pipeweed!

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Post by Forest Shepherd Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:09 pm

(Can a loremaster check on that? I actually have no idea lol)

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Post by halfwise Sun Dec 19, 2021 7:41 pm

We definitely never see Boromir or Legolas smoking pipe-weed. I don't think we see Frodo or Sam doing it, though Sam likely would.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Mon Dec 20, 2021 1:30 am

{{ Pretty sure all the hobbits smoke it at some point, don't they smoke at Farmer Maggots after the meal? And doesn't Frodo smoke with Gandalf in Bag End? }}

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Post by halfwise Mon Dec 20, 2021 2:10 am

Wrong on all counts. I took the trouble to check in case my memory was bad, but it wasn't.

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