Forumshire Quizland

A place to pose question, cunundrums or riddles, or whatever you like. Doesn't have to be Tolkien related although to get things started my question is.

What age was Pippin during LotR's?

I assume we can't just look up the answers via Google or the books?

I believe Pippin was 29, since IIRC he was four years from his "coming of age".

Oooh and you a lore master too Eldo! Incorrect- although I can see why you made that mistake.

Pippin said he was 29 in the first chapter of RotK when he was talking to Bergil, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

I believe Eldo you are thinking of his conversation with Beregond, in which Pippin says, "I am still little more than a boy in the reckoning of my own people, and it will be four years before I "come of age", as we say in the Shire."

But your still wrong he is not 29!

Oooh, clever Petty. Or foolish Eldo. He's nearly 29, yes (though it is the conversation with Bergil where he says that).

'twas a sneaky one I admit.

How many non-humanoid creatures can speak in The Hobbit, but not in LOTR?

-Paul

6 (and that's a shot in the dark)

One --- or maybe two, if we count that fox in the shire???? I think the eagle spoke to Gandalf.

Edit: Whoops! No fox in The Hobbit! And I don't mention the Ents. I guess they may be kind of humanoid?

Edit: And could Shelob talk to Gollum???

I may be wrong, but The Hobbit features talk from the following non-humanoids who could not talk in LOTR:

1. Giant Spiders
2. Wargs
3. Giant Eagles (Good one, Anne! I would have forgotten it!)

It's interesting the Smaug could talk, but the Balrog didn't (and didn't fly, either). Not the same thing, though. Also, Anne mentions the Ents, who DID talk in LOTR, but the angry Mirkwood trees did NOT talk in [/u]The Hobbit[u].

Tinuviel, your answer was insightful and to-the-point, and I cannot disprove it.

What creatures am I forgetting?

-Paul

The eagles talk in both dont they? Gwahir talks to Gandalf when he's rescued from Orthanc, and one of them sings to Faramir and Eowyn when it brings the news of the fall of Sauron to them.

How did Shelob and Gollum communicate, I wonder.

Shelob's forebear (Ungoliant) and descendants (in Mirkwood) could all talk so I don't think it's a huge leap to say that Shelob could too.

Pettytyrant101 wrote:The eagles talk in both dont they? Gwahir talks to Gandalf when he's rescued from Orthanc, and one of them sings to Faramir and Eowyn when it brings the news of the fall of Sauron to them.

I completely forgot about this. Good one, PT!

Eldorion wrote:Shelob's forebear (Ungoliant) and descendants (in Mirkwood) could all talk so I don't think it's a huge leap to say that Shelob could too.

It seems fair to assume that Shelob could talk, but was not quoted in the book. Although I had never envisioned her talking with Gollum, I assumed it was some sort of empathy, or one of Gollum's conversations with himself that he attributed to Shelob. Which is, I admit, a bit of a stretch.

Quiz time!

Which members of the Fellowship do we never see smoking pipeweed in the books?

Legolas

+ Boromir....Frodo! (and Sam?)

Going back a bit, I also have a hard time envisioning Shelob talking, and see it the same way Paul did.

Trick question, they all smoke pipeweed!

(Can a loremaster check on that? I actually have no idea lol)

We definitely never see Boromir or Legolas smoking pipe-weed. I don't think we see Frodo or Sam doing it, though Sam likely would.

{{ Pretty sure all the hobbits smoke it at some point, don't they smoke at Farmer Maggots after the meal? And doesn't Frodo smoke with Gandalf in Bag End? }}

Wrong on all counts. I took the trouble to check in case my memory was bad, but it wasn't.