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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:49 pm

{{ They had sympathy at the start of it. Most folk recognise that being a Royal is a tough lifestyle. Duty and serice come above everything else even the personal. That sort of self-sacrifice is not easy. Yes you never have to worry about the cost of anything, and yes you get to travel all round the world for nothing in the best first class conditions, but the other side of it is a day to day slog of public appereances, charities, Common Wealth and overseas territories gigs all arranged for you by a bunch of flunkies. And you have little say as thats your job as a Royal. Its what your for.

So to start with most folk figured fair enough, they dont want to be Royas and do all that they just want to go live as a normal family somewhere raise their kids. Most people got that.

But since then they've tried to hang onto the royal bits they like, traded off their titles and names (this Oprah interview being a prime example, if they hadnt been royals no one would care) and the cost they have been to the tax payer (they got us to stump up to redo their entire cottage/estate in the country at a cost of millions to make it more suited for their imminent child, then quit and fucked off once we'd paid for it all) and their continiued attacks on the Royal Family members who are after all still doing their duty and their jobs has soured many too. Folk have got sick to death of them whining on whilst retaining the privelages.
If they want a normal life go have one, but stay out the tv studios the newpapers, quit making your money off being royal. Get a real job. Cant have their cake and eat it. That just pisses folk off.}}

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Post by halfwise Sun Mar 07, 2021 4:57 pm

That sounds fair. I think the negative reactions to Megan at the start were over reported compared to the positive over here.

She probably had much of the glamor of being a royal here as an actress, with none of the restraints and duties. Never learned how to dial back her freedom in exchange for greater exposure - for celebrities it usually works the opposite way.

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Post by Mrs Figg Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:11 pm

I am just sick and tired of those two whining on about having a tough life. what utter delusional entitled cretins. I cant stand them.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:21 pm

{{ If memory srves from reading US news there was a focus that seemed 99% unwarranted on her being non-white and that was why she got hard time from press. Like Diana didnt get a hard time from Press, or Charles. But I think the racist angle played more into the American news narrative so they overemphasised that. I doubt they even reported on how much the tax payer shelled out to fix up their place (£2.4 million) they then abandoned afterwards.

They also come off really badly compared to Wills and Kate who in public are the perfect example of Royal duty, taking on many of what would normally be the Queens public engagments due to her remarkable age.
While Harry and Megan have caused disruption, left all Royal duty, fled to America and then traded off their Royal connections while bad mouthing everyone still a Royal, Wills and Kate have been out thanking care workers, nurses, talking to the people, putting in the appearances, boosting moral- all the things having a royal family during a national crisis is actually useful and good for.
When all you see of Wills and Kate in the press day in day out is stuff like this-

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or taking part with the general public in the weekly applause for the NHS workers-
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And all you hear from Harry and Megan is bitching from the sidelines and doing Oprah interviews to complain about everything, they just dont look good in comparison to the Birtish public.

Have to agree Figg. They wanted out so go, get out. }}

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:34 pm

{{Another thread succesfully Norced! Laughing Think Halfy gets credit for this one Nod Did want to comment more on royalty in general however but Ill bung it in BBST}}

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Post by Mrs Figg Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:48 pm

Basically Harry is as thick as mince and has a chip on his shoulder, he found a more sophisticated wife who has filled his brain with pc Hollywood garbage and has soaked it up like a sponge. She has effectively cut him off from his family and has cut herself off from her family. So a nasty piece of work masquerading as a 'victim'. He does interviews on the top of a bus and does Oprah while whinging about privacy. The deluded prat. They need to get over themselves.
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Post by halfwise Mon Mar 08, 2021 3:08 am

Watched the interview, it was actually quite compelling.  Short story is according to them the media was reporting falsehoods, yet the royal institution would do nothing to combat it.  They don't blame the family at all (Harry claims he talks to his grandmother more now than ever), but the lack of a viable support system around them.

You can believe it or not as you will, but they come across as believable and not at all whiny.  Meghan was suicidal for a time; they had to get out.

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Post by chris63 Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:06 pm

Wandavision was good. 🧐😅😅

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Mon Mar 08, 2021 12:27 pm

Watched the interview, it was actually quite compelling.- Halfy

{{ Im sure it was, she is an actress after all. Ive not seen full interview just the reports and some quotes, Harry said Charles and Wills were trapped within the sytem. Or alternatively they are willing and understand the duty an service that comes with the position and are prepared to put up with the constraints to perform their duties- Harry and Megan arent.
They say that a member of the Royal family asked Harry how dark he thought their babies skin would be. But wouldnt say who.
It was Prince Philip- of course it was, hehas a history of being direct and old school on matters of race, hes like 93 his attitudes have never been the best in this regard everyone has known this for decades. And as he doesnt have that many years left in front of him its hardly the biggest deal.

Oprah appears not to have aked them about how much the tax payer shelled out for the place they abandoned, but they did take time to whine about their children not getting tax paid for security protection. Funny that.

As to the press not being fair, of course they arent, its not the job of British tabloids to be fair, they trade in celebrity gossip and scandal, exposing the rich, famous and powerful to public derision. But its got nothing to do with race, hell its not even personal as such, it just scandal to sell papers. They are equally brutal and unfair to any person deemed to be in the public sphere and to be in the public interest to know about, they see them all as fair game. The only real criteria is that you sell papers, and Royal scandal sells more papers than anything else.

As to her depression, anyone who enters Royal life in the main family line and doesnt know about the scheduling, the organising of your life, all the rules and protocols you'll have to learn to follow, the press interest and scrutiny is an idiot. Its not an easy life, its why its best for those born to it and raised to it as the norm. Its a hard job to just step into. It was for Diana and it seems it is for Megan.
But not being up to the task and not understanding before you take it on what it entails is not the fault of the task itself. And Harry knew exactly what it entails, so he has no excuse for her not being prepared.}}

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Post by Mrs Figg Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:45 pm

I am sure at the beginning she was loving being a 'princess' with all the perks, but as time went on and demands on her time were made I am pretty sure she started to resent it and plan her way out. It would have been easy to play the race card and the victim card, after one or two comments and the press following her every move, I am sure that negative criticism would have started to rankle. After all, all that flake Hollywood BS speak about 'feeling your truth' and 'empowering your inner mindfulness compassion' is just that, a load of new age cobblers. Harry fell for all the gloss and has lost the plot. Maybe when he grows up he will begin to regret losing his family. But as she is reproducing kids she has him by the short and curlies.
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Post by Forest Shepherd Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:21 pm

All I know about any of this came from some stupid reddit thread banging on about how "oppressive" and "cruel" the family were to Meghan. If it ties into minority good! White bad! Then it sells in the U.S. amongst certain progressive types. It gets attention from those who agree and disagree, clearly.

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Post by halfwise Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:37 pm

If they had left out the bit about the baby's skin color I don't think it would have changed the main part of their story, since it wasn't directly linked to the way she was treated.  It might have been linked to the decision of the Royal Family that their kids would not be considered royal and therefore wouldn't get security, which seemed to be a major part of why Harry didn't see any benefit in sticking around.  But they didn't make that link, and in fact not having the kids be royal conforms to protocol (though if the Queen had passed on before Archie was born it would be different).

However, as Forest points out, many people will make that link.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:53 pm

{{ They didnt get security and title because they arent supposed to- its the law. Since about 1930 or something to keep the cost to taxpayers down. Only those immediate to the throne get paid for security and get full titles. Their kids is 8th or more in line or something, no way should we be shelling out for their security. Harry inherited about 13million from his mum, Megan is worth a fortune too they can pay for their own bloody security. Mad Whining they didnt get given a fortune of other peoples hard earned tax money to spend then claiming its cause she is black is frankly fucking disgraceful of them. }}

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Post by Mrs Figg Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:36 pm

yep its pure race-baiting. I though she was all for 'giving back and compassion' getting the hump about a title is a bit odd.

I bet it was Anne who mentioned the kid's skin tone, she is like her dad. Blunt and a pc free zone.
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Post by Lancebloke Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:31 pm

Gonna probably watch it tonight and see exactly what was said and in what context. I will see if the comments I have sent from a lot of people (Facebook, twitter etc) who are regurgitating the news reports rather than watching themselves seem accurate or not!
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Post by halfwise Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:39 pm

Oprah doesn't throw them a single hardball. But it may still be illuminating.

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Post by Lancebloke Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:26 am

Watched it last night.

Oprah did ask questions that were difficult to answer but didn't really challenge them too much.

Main problem here is that there is nobody on the other side to challenge the accusations thay were made. If 60% of what was said was true then I totally understand the decision that was made.

The reason I am not sure about some of it was because it started straying in to a bit of "woke" culture. Even starting with Oprah saying it was a chance for them to share "their truth". It's either true or it isn't!!

But saying that, some things that were discussed, if true, totally justify their stance and the decision that was made.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:24 am

{{ Thats a big if, and sacking someone from their job for questioning the truth of what was said seems totally unfair and dangerous to me.

For me even if its all true, every last word, leaving, but keeping hold of all the stuff you like, such as their titles (she still gets called Duchess, he is still Prince Harry) and trading off them, whilst publicly attacking your own family without giving them right to respond or reply is low, really low.
Would you go in front of millions of people expressly to talk shit about your own family? I wouldnt even if I was having severe issues with them. You deal with these things privately.

If what they say is true and they really want out then drop the titles, be a normal Mr and Mrs,stop trading off Royal connnections with these sort of interviews or their upcoming netflix series. They claim they want out the public eye then court it, and move to a massive multi-million pad in California- the centre of the worlds media attention.
They whine about their kid not getting security paid for by the British taxpayer when th elaw is he shouldt get security paid for by tax, and when they are more than wealthy enough as private individuals to pay for their own security.

She whines about being upset by Kate comments about a dress at her wedding. Really? Thats a gripe now? Try working 7 days straight 12 hour shifts in a care home where half the folk your trying to care for are dropping dead from a virus and the staff are dropping like flies and everyone is scared everytime they go into work- but they still go. Thats stress, thats hardship, thats something to endure- some stupid dress and snarky commment is nothing. Pathetic in fact.

Its quite possible to a senior member of the royal family and live privately. When was the last time outside of an official photocall of all the Royals did you hear or see anything about Prince Edward? Answer- never, you dont, because he keeps his life private and out the press, doesnt court the press, or seek interviews. He has successfully as a senior royal led an amost entirely private out the public eye existence whilst perfomring all his royal duties as head of various charities and the like. Harry and Megan arent even trying, they are doing the opposite in fact, they are using their Royal connections to fund their lifestyle by trading off shit talk, scandal and gossip. How does that make them any different from the tabloids they claim were out to get them? }}


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Post by Lancebloke Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:32 pm

Firstly, I don't think you can judge other people's problems by your standards. I can just as easily say you have no right to suggest you have any stress when there are people that are prisoners of group like ISIS who have had their family killed and are actively being raped and tortured until they die from it.

Second, you have no idea what it is like being in the inside of an institution like that and the pressures that exist for them. Very easy to write something off that you have never and will never experience.

As I said, it is a pinch of salt to take everything as fact when you don't have the other side of the story but we can verify some things such as the way the media specifically went after her and fabricated headlines to fit their need to sell papers even when she has long been interacting with them and was just doing her job or being a person. The tabloids clearly made her a target (and they definitely used her heritage as part of that) in order to sell papers.

The titles and security thing... I am sure you listened when they said that security of their family and the title came hand in hand. So to say they were chasing titles for money is putting a story you already had in to something that has no basis of fact.

Again, without the other side to defend itself the breakdown here is:

- we tried to do our job and we're told we would be protected and we weren't.
- we then asked for help to do our job and didn't get any because "this is how it is" which I wonder how they wouldnhave justified if her comments about suicide were that bad and she had gone through with it.
- they then tried to step back as non-senior members because they were not capable of doing the job under the circumstances but asked for security for Harry because he had no choice about what he was born in to and everything leading up to that point made them (and it seems their security team) a target.
- they then decided to step away all together and given they still needed to be safe, went with the media deals etc to be able to sustainably pay for what they thought they needed.


If true, that makes complete sense to me.

The whole "throwing family under the bus" thing I am split on. It sounds like they didn't get much support from some people and the ones that did they gave a lot of credit to, especially the Queen. But if people are not prepared to fight for you then there is no reason that you should fight for them. Whether you should go on Oprah about it.... 50/50 on that as they have a right to try and set a record straight and tell THE truth (not THEIR truth).
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Post by Mrs Figg Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:38 pm

100% agree Petty. The arrogance of them is astounding, but weirdly a lot of people are defending them, but I ask myself why exactly. They feel it is necessary to live in a goldfish bowl and then whine about the glass. He doesn't know any better because he was born to have everyone stick their noses into every micro-action he makes, he expects people to want to know every last sordid detail, he was born to it. But she is an actress and predisposed to need attention and acclaim, that type of character needs applause and all the gushing false praise she gets in Hollywood. Some people become actors for some ego stroking sycophancy, she didn't get it and it must have been a nasty shock. I mean, people not crying with adoration when she spouts off about saving the world and having her 'voice' heard. Now both of them are psychologically fragile, he has a massive chips on his shoulders, is obviously resentful about a lot of family stuff, and she has separated him from his support structure and made him cling to her for support. They are both totally convinced and smug about how badly treated they are, not having had a real job in their lives and living in an unnatural environment, micro-slights become massive insults, their egos are so fragile. Using race is a low blow. I expect Harry to come crawling back at some point, its funny because he was ok before he met her. If as they say they wanted a normal private life, they should give up the titles and tax payers money, don't do interviews on buses, or Oprah ffs!, pay to live in a private estate and keep your head down until people are bored of waiting for gossip. They had every chance in the world to be private citizens in a protected enclave, but they were programmed to whine about how 'hard' their lives are outside the royal bubble. sad really.
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Post by halfwise Wed Mar 10, 2021 12:57 pm

I think Lance is seeing things the most clearly.  Petty has seen parts of the interview, I'm not sure anyone else has and are being influenced by the media portrayals.

They are trying to break free and support themselves independently, but unfortunately the only skill set they have is being public figures.  So it may look like they are trying to rid themselves of all the duties of royalty while still keeping the royal privilege of being in the limelight, but they sort of have no choice but to bank off their celebrity.  If they could turn off their celebrity they wouldn't need to pay for security, but they can't.

At least that's how they see it, and I don't think that's completely true: they could have gone and hid up in the Canadian wilderness until folks forgot about them, but that's not much of a life when you're young and only know a life in public.  None of us have been in a situation where everywhere we go we are followed, so it's hard for us to judge the need for round the clock security and living in property large enough the public can be kept behind a fence out of eyeshot.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Wed Mar 10, 2021 3:51 pm

I can just as easily say you have no right to suggest you have any stress when there are people that are prisoners of group like ISIS who have had their family killed and are actively being raped and tortured until they die from it. - Lance

{{yes but I wouldnt agrue the two were equal or even comparable as stress levels. i wouldnt talk about a slight over an article of clothing as being stress. Thats some pampered git there if thats your idea of stress in life.


'Second, you have no idea what it is like being in the inside of an institution like that and the pressures that exist for them.'

Nope I dont. But I'll tell you who does, Harry. Yet she said she was unprepared and niave about the protocols and expectations and duties, then thats his fault and hers. How on earth you can enter something like the royal family and not know how difficult a life of duty and service in the public eye can be beggars belief, especially when your husband has been in that position their entire life.
I dont believe for one second she didnt know what she was getting into, no one is that stupid it doent add up.

'The tabloids clearly made her a target (and they definitely used her heritage as part of that) in order to sell papers. '

They equally poured over Dianas heritage, her entire bloodline back to the Normans and even if she was a virgin or not in the tabloid press. Megans treatment is not race based its tabloid dealing with Royal based. You either play the game- Wills and Kate perfect example they have a deal with press no one sneaks photos of them or  especially their kids with paprazzi an din return they will dutifully turn out at regular intervals with the kids for a photo op for the tabloids. You bitch whine and set up a fight with UK tabloids they will tear you to pieces, regardless of your colour. Its how they have always operated.

'I am sure you listened when they said that security of their family and the title came hand in hand.'

Yes and under not 1 but 2 UK laws they were entitled to neither. Security comes with a title and under a rule put in by George VI someone that far from the throne doesnt get a title and therefore doesnt get  tax payer security. Nothing to do with who they are, nothing to do with her skin colour as she heavily implied, its the rules for everyone whose more than a few steps from the ruling position.
They are also filthy rich by their own means and can easily afford their own security, why should the tax payer give them security money they are not enittled by law to recieve? Yet a poor person who needs a pitiful handout that is our benefits system to live on gets called a scrounger, worskshy and lazy. But they think they are entirtled to hundreds of thousands of tax money for their kids security when they have the means themselves?

As to her mental health- Harry was the head of the charity for mental health! He couldnt have helped his own wife, put her touch with people from that organisation who could have helped her? Spoken to his own family about it in private? Where was he during all this? Doing nothing for her it seems.

Harry inherited 14million from Diana, which was then invested for him so probably at least double that now, and your saying they have to go trash talk their own family publicly to make ends meet? No fucking chance. Live a simpler life if you have to but if you cant live a 'normal private' life with 14 million in the bank you beyond hope.
And as i pointed out there are senior royals you almost never hear or see from, like Prince Edward- he does his suty, he makes his appearences as necessary and required and thats it. It is quite possible to be a senior Royal and not be in the spotlight all the time. The problem arises when like Diana you want to be in the tabloids and the press and court them with interviews and the like, then complain during them your hounded by the press!
If they wanted anonimity and a quiet life why did they move to LA? Why sign deals with netflix and Oprah to trash talk your own? How is that getting out the spotlight?

Plus we know they lie. Hary claimed that they were going ecofriendly, and that all the flights he and his family had taken in recent months were commercial- then it leaked that 8 out of the last 10 flights they took were on a private plane. Bare faced lie in order to create a false public perception and narrative around themselves.
I dont see whats so different about this interview- seems like more lies, exaggerations and whining about trivia in order to manipulate the media narrative into seeing them as victims. Whilst coincidentally giving them limelight, a massive audience and amount of media attention and a huge wad of cash. Odd way to stay out the public eye!}}

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Post by Mrs Figg Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:57 pm

I wonder if they will give Oprah's cash to charities? I doubt it.
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Post by Lancebloke Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:19 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:I can just as easily say you have no right to suggest you have any stress when there are people that are prisoners of group like ISIS who have had their family killed and are actively being raped and tortured until they die from it. - Lance

{{yes but I wouldnt agrue the two were equal or even comparable as stress levels. i wouldnt talk about a slight over an article of clothing as being stress. Thats some pampered git there if thats your idea of stress in life.


LB - how many little things set you off when everything else is tough and that is the little thing that you snap on? That is a silly comment, especially since they were talking about wedding arrangements which are often stressful in themselves.

'Second, you have no idea what it is like being in the inside of an institution like that and the pressures that exist for them.'

Nope I dont. But I'll tell you who does, Harry. Yet she said she was unprepared and niave about the protocols and expectations and duties, then thats his fault and hers. How on earth you can enter something like the royal family and not know how difficult a life of duty and service in the public eye can be beggars belief, especially when your husband has been in that position their entire life.
I dont believe for one second she didnt know what she was getting into, no one is that stupid it doent add up.

LB - being told (which I agree, would be surprising if she didn't have a little idea) is very different from experiencing and dealing with the reality.

'The tabloids clearly made her a target (and they definitely used her heritage as part of that) in order to sell papers. '

They equally poured over Dianas heritage, her entire bloodline back to the Normans and even if she was a virgin or not in the tabloid press. Megans treatment is not race based its tabloid dealing with Royal based. You either play the game- Wills and Kate perfect example they have a deal with press no one sneaks photos of them or  especially their kids with paprazzi an din return they will dutifully turn out at regular intervals with the kids for a photo op for the tabloids. You bitch whine and set up a fight with UK tabloids they will tear you to pieces, regardless of your colour. Its how they have always operated.

LB - have you seen some of the fucking vile coverage of Meghan? Some of it was clearly race relates while other was very personal and was that was from the beginning. There are examples of literally exactly the same situation in which Kate and Meghan were dealt with completely different... one the nations sweetheart and the other the evil bitch. Comparing the two is a great example of how this is not the same situation.

'I am sure you listened when they said that security of their family and the title came hand in hand.'

Yes and under not 1 but 2 UK laws they were entitled to neither. Security comes with a title and under a rule put in by George VI someone that far from the throne doesnt get a title and therefore doesnt get  tax payer security. Nothing to do with who they are, nothing to do with her skin colour as she heavily implied, its the rules for everyone whose more than a few steps from the ruling position.
They are also filthy rich by their own means and can easily afford their own security, why should the tax payer give them security money they are not enittled by law to recieve? Yet a poor person who needs a pitiful handout that is our benefits system to live on gets called a scrounger, worskshy and lazy. But they think they are entirtled to hundreds of thousands of tax money for their kids security when they have the means themselves?

LB - poor people being brought in to the conversation has nothing to do with it. What does is that Harry, as a Prince and a position he was born in to had his security removed. The issue with Archie is that they were also told that the protection under which he would would received the security under the article you mention (I.e. the Queen dies) was also going to be removed when it hadn't for anyone else. Last, security is very expensive and quickly drains even substantial amounts of money, maybe you should look up what it takes to get good quality, round the clock security for a very high profile target.



As to her mental health- Harry was the head of the charity for mental health! He couldnt have helped his own wife, put her touch with people from that organisation who could have helped her? Spoken to his own family about it in private? Where was he during all this? Doing nothing for her it seems.

LB - according to them they did ask the institution for help and were told no. They were also told they could not seek help outside of the institution. They were told to suck it up because "that's just the way it is."

Harry inherited 14million from Diana, which was then invested for him so probably at least double that now, and your saying they have to go trash talk their own family publicly to make ends meet? No fucking chance. Live a simpler life if you have to but if you cant live a 'normal private' life with 14 million in the bank you beyond hope.
And as i pointed out there are senior royals you almost never hear or see from, like Prince Edward- he does his suty, he makes his appearences as necessary and required and thats it. It is quite possible to be a senior Royal and not be in the spotlight all the time. The problem arises when like Diana you want to be in the tabloids and the press and court them with interviews and the like, then complain during them your hounded by the press!
If they wanted anonimity and a quiet life why did they move to LA? Why sign deals with netflix and Oprah to trash talk your own? How is that getting out the spotlight?

LB - Well, this comes back to the whole security thing. They were cut off financially from the Royal Family and then had to deal with getting a new home that was secure etc and they wanted to be able to actually still interact with the world, not become hermits in the Rockies.

Plus we know they lie. Hary claimed that they were going ecofriendly, and that all the flights he and his family had taken in recent months were commercial- then it leaked that 8 out of the last 10 flights they took were on a private plane. Bare faced lie in order to create a false public perception and narrative around themselves.
I dont see whats so different about this interview- seems like more lies, exaggerations and whining about trivia in order to manipulate the media narrative into seeing them as victims. Whilst coincidentally giving them limelight, a massive audience and amount of media attention and a huge wad of cash. Odd way to stay out the public eye!}}

LB - Well, on this we don't have any other side of the argument or any other bits of evidence to verify. You seem to have decided that this evidence is not enough and automatically that there is nobody to blame but themselves.

My take is that there are probably a lot of institutional issues that need addressing within The Palace plc. This is not the first time shit has gone down and likely won't be the last. At the same time, M&H do seem to be playing some of this up in retrospect and probably could have handled things differently but that they ultimately have ended up with the right result for them which is not a bad thing if they weren't wanted in their previous environment.
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Post by Lancebloke Wed Mar 10, 2021 6:20 pm

Oops... funked that up! My comments in the quote and outside have LB before them! Smile
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