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Post by azriel on Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:30 pm

Oh my gawd, oh my gawd, oooooooooh myyyyyy gawd !!!! Henry Cavill is gorgeous !!! He just oozes sexiness ! I wanna be really really bad so he comes after me !!! Laughing

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Post by halfwise on Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:50 pm

Just watched the first episode. It was fun, not totally clear (plot threads introduced a bit too quickly), not the same compulsion to keep watching that Game of Thrones imposes. I give it a better than average rating, but not great.

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Post by halfwise on Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:25 pm

azriel wrote:Oh my gawd, oh my gawd, oooooooooh myyyyyy gawd !!!! Henry Cavill is gorgeous !!! He just oozes sexiness ! I wanna be really really bad so he comes after me !!! Laughing

He doesn't seem that hard to seduce: most people are afraid of him so he tends to take a shine to any odd woman who's brave enough to talk to him.  But he needs to be coaxed out of his shell.  I think you should go for it, Az. Worse that can happen is you get chopped up.  Nod

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Post by azriel on Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:46 pm

GO FOR IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dam right I would fluffy !! I wouldn't worry about the chopped up bit, I have ideas...…………..

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Post by azriel on Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:55 pm

Just watched tonights episode of Dracula on BBC 1 & it was well worth it !
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The Danish guy playing Dracula is quite a good idea. He played the old Count as the episode started & he was great. I was quite hooked. I liked the balance of creeps, witty dialogue & a smidgeon of tongue in cheek humour ! First line from the old count was, Im guessing, pure Gatiss. "I don't drrrrink…….wine" a little homage there. It just got better as the story carried on. I also lliked the freshness of it. A re'vamp' was just what the Dracula story needed & its getting it too. Harker is a dead man retelling the tale, he realises near the end of his speech that he's not actually breathing. The nuns he tells his horror story too I thought were suddenly going to jump up & declare they are vampires also but no, turns out one nun was named Agatha Van Helsing so Im hoping she is one of the family chaps. Hour & a half of me being glued to the gogglebox & thank god for it. TV of late has been boring, like plodding heavily thru grey cold porridge. Looking forward to Episode 2 Smile

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:56 pm

{{ Just about to watch it Az. Its getting very good reviews all round. Wouldnt be xmas without a Moffat hit! Very Happy }}

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Post by azriel on Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:57 pm

Good on yer Petty, I hope you enjoy it ? I look forward to reading what you think.

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Post by halfwise on Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:06 pm

So the word online is that Dracula has a Cockney accent and the seething masses aren't having it. How could this happen? How could the "I don't drink....wine" line be delivered in Cockney? Or did he code switch once he got to merry ole?

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Post by Mrs Figg on Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:44 pm

hahaha Dracula it made me shit-a-brick Laughing

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seriously that was gross. affraid that's a sick sick tv show. Laughing

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Post by azriel on Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:16 pm

Made me laugh when he said.....
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"you are what you eat" Smile

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Post by Mrs Figg on Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:11 pm

pale  blurg dunno if I can watch any more of it.

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Post by azriel on Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:57 pm

Hoo hoo, I can. Im liking this version a bit too much me thinks. Its cuz they have made Dracula too human, too manly. I can feel towards him as if he were my neighbour. He is definitely NOT the Christopher Lee type ! When the Count isn't being all scary & vampiric hes quite a 'gentleman'. He holds a conversation, has charm & wit, hes interesting to talk too, has a sense of humour, all the things I like in a man, a human man. All these make it easy to respond to him. Until he turns, & then you remember what he really is. Im so looking forward to the last episode Smile Its been a cracker so far !

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Post by halfwise on Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:45 am

Have you seen Only Lovers Left Alive?  It has Tilda Swinton and Tom Hiddleston in the lead roles, and is basically about how vampires would survive in the modern world.  The best line is when their bratty neice visits, and drains the life out of their best friend.

"You drank Philip?  How could you drink Philip?"
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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:20 am

{{ Well watched episode one of Dracula. Yeah, its a pretty good reimagining. Its by no means a close adaptation of the book, but it is a wonderful blend of a dozen different cinematic versions combined with some new ideas that work pretty damn well.
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It looks and feels like a classic vampire film, and I like that, its got a scary maze like castle full of endless passages and staircases, its got bats, wolves and we still follow the books basic premise and outline, if very reimagined. Its got a couple of classic lines to watch out for, and a shot that's very Hammer House red eyed vampire fanged hissing at camera Christopher Lee Dracula and references to Nosferatu and some of the Italian Dracula films of the 60's and more I am sure I missed.

The biggest addition is of course Van Helsing now being both a nun and a woman therefore. This is the sort of thing I could have baulked at if she were not so darn likeably written and played. Making her a nun was a good idea as it both gives a religous angle to Van Helsing as well as a believable reason why she is well educated for her day and age. And Moffat gives her some of those 'feminist' lines he occasionally peppered his Who with, in this case the most obvious in response to Dracula demanding to know who she is gets the reply, "All your worst nightmares, an educated woman with a crucifix." But it works for the character as she is presented as by no means flawless so there is still a sense she could screw things up and does, resulting in all the nuns beng slaughtered and her forcing herself to listen to it happen as her 'punishment' for her mistakes. So her intellect and bravado are balanced out by her misjudgements as a character. She never feels like she is there just to make the point a woman can be as good a Van Helsing as a man, she feels genuinely earned in the story as a character in her own right, serving the narrative. This is a very good example of how to change a classicly male character to a female one without screwing it up or making it seem forced or done just for the sake of doing it.

I also like how the horror is handled as it comes in a variety of shapes and forms, there is atmospheric horror using the castle setting, shadows, light and dark in a very classic cinema fashion,then there is outright body horror and gore that at times remindedme of evil dead 2 when it came to the animated corpses, and subtle unnerving horror, such as when Dracula is carrying about a crying baby in a bag and simply keeps replying to Harkness increasingly desperate queries that there is no baby. Its very disturbing. As too is the notion that Dracula keeps his 'brides' stuffed in boxes.

Which brings me onto what for me so far was the most interesting thing about it in term s of adding to the Dracula lore, there is a question being raised throughout about the 'rules' of being a vampire, he needs invited in, but Van Helsing questions why, whats stopping him? He can't stand sunlight, but why? He reacts to crucifix, but he doesnt seem to believe in them or a God, and openly mocks Van Helsings religous beliefs with "And I thought you were intelligent." Later he comments that crufixies work, but not for the reason they think.
And he gives some information on his condition, or at least his victims- they become undead beasts for the most part, a few retain intelligence most are mere animals, zombie like reanmated corpses, but all suffer from endless hunger and desire for blood. And Dracula has been experimenting, trying to create someone like himself to breed with, a vampire who retained all his human aspects. Our attention is delibretly drawn to all these question around how and why the vampire rules work so I assume there will be answers to why later. But it sets up some interesting qiestions.
For a first episode thats as long as some Dracula films, at 90 mins, its paced well and doesn't drag but rather unfolds Harkness tale of being in the castle in good order, giving it time to breath and for us to see the quite astounshing physical transformation in both Dracula and Harkness (really the actor playing Harkness looks like he starved himself between first and last appearence) with Dracula draining Harkness into a undead whilst becoming ever  younger and more english as a result- which seems to be another rule, that Dracula can absorb something of the person they drain, knowledge and intillect.
And yes Halfy that does mean though he starts with a classic Transylvanian accent he ends up by episodes end with one more like Harkness's, English, with a very slight trace of cockney acccent occasionally in some words, its London, but its not full blown cockney London by any means, no Dick Van Dykeness.

The reveal that Harkness not only throughout the first half of the episode is in fact undead the whole time, and that his written version of what happened turned out to be the equivilent of him just writting 'dracula is great i love dracula' over and over for page after page was nicely handled too. In fact all the main reveals worked well, that one, Minna being the other nun, they all hit their mark.
Dialogue is a nice blend of classic style and dashes of trademark Mofftat wit and a little of his puzzle boxing withthe map and the architect but it's Gatiss life long love of and studying of classic horror in all its mediums that I think is playing the strongest hand with this one.

Should talk about Dracula himself really. As old creepy Dracula the perormance is very classical Dracula indeed, with touches of Coppala's old Dracula among it, but once rejuvinated by Harkness's blood and young we get less of the brooding cursed with having to drink blood and be undea dof some versions and more gleefully enjoys and delights in the killing and carnage Dracula, often with a witty remark, taunt or observation to accompany it. This could perhaps become annoying over three 90 minute episdes, we shall see, but in this first one it works to make him one of those villains you guiltily enjoy seeing in action just to see what diabolically evil or twisted thing he will think to do next. But he is also good in the quiter moments, menacing Harkness and in hs conforntation at the Nunnery gates with Van Helsing. So on their Dracula, so far so good.
I am looking forward to the remainder.

Oh and caught a reference one each to Who and Sherlock. Minna's letter at start includes a refrence to the 'adorable barmaind at the Rose and Crown' which was victorian Clara, and later Van Helsing claims she got the information about Harkness and traced his fiancee through a 'detective friend in London'.
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Post by Mrs Figg on Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:29 pm

I agree with your analysis Petty

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I think the genius of this portrayal of Dracula is you get a real tangible sense of how he could cast a spell on literally anyone whether man or woman, he is irresistible. The power of his personality can make a logical man walk out of a protective circle or make anyone fall in love with him. He is a male siren calling people to their destruction. I really liked the female Van Helsing, she is the only one to match him, and he recognises that. She is sarcastic, diffident and never lets him control her. She is truly his nemesis. I also think that her being a nun has saved her from becoming an animal or a zombie, its like she is a sub-species of vampire. She has been infected by Dracula but it hasn't destroyed her, it probably made her stronger and invincible. I am really enjoying this, apart from the yuckfest. Laughing  

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Post by azriel on Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:43 pm

I know I havent enjoyed a tv prog as much as I enjoyed Dracula. This gorgeous Dane has turned the staid & I dare I say stale old Vamp on its head & thank gawd for it !!!!! A couple of thoughts skipped about inside my head. He was never as strong as people think I feel. He said he absorbed conscious from the blood he drank ? so, any intellect comes from that & not his own character ? A rather vulnerable state to be in I think. Wonder if he got to sticky grips with a vegan or vegetarian would we see him extoling the helpfulness of herbs ? But, it worked very well for this Vampire.  Poor old Bela Lugosi, wonder if he's flapping round the old Oak tree ?  Tho he may well have loved it ? Wonder if Mr Lee had any reservations about this one ? Dracula changed & I loved it more each episode because I saw myself in him. Not the blood bit no, I much prefer tea but, the improvement of your self. For me Im trying to be a better person ( minus the fangs Smile ) Agatha was SOOOO hands down the best person opposite him & I arrived at the conclusion why. They behave like a married couple. A married couple still in LOVE. At the end its him & her you see swallowed up in the golden flash. He found his long lost love & I thought I could see the pain in his eyes for one second when he knew Agatha ( Zoey ) had cancer ? He had to save her, couldn't wait to see her in another reincarnation because did she have any children or siblings ? & is that not what the story Bram created is about ??? Eternal love ? A love that goes beyond death, time, the ages ?  Another thought....so iconic it becomes a tad boring...( familiarity breeds contempt )  Gypsy women in horror films, tv etc, will always tell you you will meet a tall dark handsome stranger...…( oh yes Draccy baby ) They never say....a short chubby Ginger ?? ( I like short chubby Gingers Smile )  and Dracula fits the style of a 'tall, dark, handsome, stranger. He will never come again. In him tho I saw how much we have inflicted our own characters into him. That's why each version of the Legend gets better & more enjoyable. Compare Claes vampire to Klaus kinsky for example ? Christopher Lee put the wind up me & I needed the loo after HE swept thru but, he spoke so little & I got over the horror of him because that's all he did. He was quite tho frightening, he had red eyes, big fangs then he'd swoosh orrrf. Not much to go on there. Ive seen comedic vampires ( Dance of the vampires aka Fearless vampire killers ) "What we do in the Shadows", then there's Salems Lot. Ive seen several sorts of Vamire films but, this Gatiss/Moffat version was the best one for me ! I am SO glad they got together & did this !!!!


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Post by halfwise on Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:50 pm

I wonder if it's showing up on our side of the pond yet? Sherlock only had a day or so delay, but I don't know if this one has been picked up.

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Post by halfwise on Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:55 pm

BTW, looking at the trailer, something bugs me: blood doesn't splash like that.  It's stickier.

BTW2: Morfyyd Clarke is in this.  Isn't she pinged for the Amazon Tolkien series as Galadriel?  How's she doing in this one?

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Post by azriel on Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:57 pm

Sorry Halfy ! I should have used spoilers !! I Hope I haven't ruined it too much for you ? Shocked

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Post by halfwise on Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:22 pm

Oh, hey! it's streaming on Netflix! Watching the first one now.

Don't worry about spoilers. I mean, it IS Dracula. No big surprises there.

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Post by halfwise on Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:43 pm

Impressions so far are good, though nobody could deliver the line "I do not dvink....wine" like Bela Lugosi. I'm glad they did not attempt a mirror reproduction.

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Post by Mrs Figg on Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:08 pm

I really enjoyed it too. It was very definitely by Moffat. It got quite Sherlocky at one point. Not sure which episode I like best, 1 or 2, or maybe both. Razz some great acting and a new look at a very old story.

it also brought a whole new meaning to "leeesten to zee cheeldren of zee night, heeer how zey seeeng"  Shocked affraid

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Post by halfwise on Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:58 pm

Oh good, I hoped that line would come - the chronology must be different.

I'm loving the nun - the acting is brilliant, the lines wouldn't jump off the page without her.  But she brings so much to her part, tuned to perfection.

Edit: okay, line didn't come. But I prefer the book version anyway: "...vat music zey make."


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Post by halfwise on Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:50 pm

So got through the first episode.

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I quite loved the line from Mina "Did you ever think for a minute I wouldn't come for you?"  For centuries it's always been men saying some variation of that line.  Women have only said it to children.  They finally closed that gap.

I didn't like the big bang-up ending with wolfes and tear-off masks and such.  I think they did too well up to that point to have an ending like that.  Cheapened it.

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