Re: Doctor Who [11]

by Pettytyrant101 Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:25 pm

'Will' is a translating

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by halfwise Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:34 pm

I like how in the middle of a Norcing episode Petty continues the official topic via spoilers. Laughing

by malickfan Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:38 pm

halfwise wrote:I like how in the middle of a Norcing episode Petty continues the official topic via spoilers.

Well in fairness we often end up Norcing the forum by discussing Who in other threads Laughing

by malickfan Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:43 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:'Will' is a translating
Spoiler:

Personally I don't think we should place too much faith in the opinions of fans, Doctor Who may have been brought back by fans who grew up on it as a cult show, but it is now a worldwide phenomena, and casual audiences are its bread and butter, despite my issues I listed above I did enjoy the ep alot...but I'm not convinced this would be a story that the general public would warm as quickly to.

by Mrs Figg Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:55 pm

ok I watched it. unmitigating dour misery. It started dark and horrible had a truly cringeworthy 'jolly' bit in the middle, and then went back to soul destroying dreary weary poop. what a load of depressing tosh. where's the joy? come back RTD and save this show.

by Pettytyrant101 Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:56 pm

I think all you needed to know regards classic was clearly explained, the rest, the screens with flashbacks to classic Doctor/Davros confrontations ect was just icing on the cake for the fans.

Currently sitting at 9.2 on IMDb

by Pettytyrant101 Sat Sep 19, 2015 10:57 pm

where's the joy?- Figg

If you found no joy

Spoiler:

then you have no soul.

by malickfan Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:04 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:where's the joy?- Figg

If you found no joy
Spoiler:
then you have no soul.

Joy or Lameness? Personally I found that scene overlong and cringeworthy, how did the Doctor never realize Bor was a Dalek in disguise?...and apparently he's totally fine with stealing, driving around and leaving tank in the middle ages with no consequences?

by malickfan Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:11 pm

Mrs Figg wrote:where's the joy? come back RTD and save this show.

In fairness I wouldn't classify Who as a particularly joyous show, the Phillip Hinchcliffe years for example, generally considered to be the best in the shows history seemed to be geared around the idea of scaring the shit out of as many kids as possible and killing off as many extras as they could afford every episode.

You don't cast an older actor known for darker roles and expect him to play a bouncy approachable puppy...frankly I was bored with the Doctor being so 'human' and happy all the time (one of the reasons I've changed my opinion on Tennant...he's very watchable and charismatic as a leading man...but also rather boring from a character point of view, and disappointingly one note as an alien), he's a 2000 year old alien, I'd be annoyed if he didn't act a little darker and melancholy from time to time.

Why would RTD come back to a show he quit voluntarily over 7 years ago, after admitting by his own admission he was completely burnt out. You may not like Moffat's take on Who (and to be fair...I don't either alot of the time) but regressing to a tone and style of show a decade old will do the show no favours, RTD's family friendly soap esque character drama was fine for relaunching the show in the UK, but's its far outgrown his reach in tone and scale.

Trying to repeat what made the show work in the RTD years, by hiring him to try and repeat them would never work, he'd essentially be competing against himself...and we all know how that turned out for Peter Jackson Evil or Very Mad

The show is never going to match the tone of RTD's years not matter who is in charge of it, and it a show all about change I'd be dissapointed if it did, I surprised you still bother to watch it, I tuned out entirely during Series 6 and most of 7, and I don't regret it...

by bungobaggins Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:13 pm

RTD sux. The Obama Christmas spectacular was atrocious.

by Pettytyrant101 Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:18 pm

how did the Doctor never realize Bor was a Dalek in disguise?- Malick

Spoiler:

'Personally I found that scene overlong and cringeworthy'

I started out with stunned incredulity and disbelief, and as it went on a huge grin just crept across my face. This is a rare time when we get to see a side of the Doctor we have heard about plenty over the years but never seen- all those ridiculous parties, usually with famous people he goes on offscreen and occasionally mentions in conversation, playing with famous bands and composers, hanging out with Hollywood celebrities of the 1940's and 50's ect

As to the tank- presumably that was one of the major anomalies associated with the incident that made it a hot spot for the algorithm.

by Pettytyrant101 Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:19 pm

The Obama Christmas spectacular was atrocious.- Bungo

It was indeed, sadly. Very embarrassing, even at the time never mind now. Embarassed

by malickfan Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:20 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:how did the Doctor never realize Bor was a Dalek in disguise?- Malick

Spoiler:

He didn't in the prequel they released on youtube...

by Pettytyrant101 Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:21 pm

The reason I think this i

Spoiler:

by malickfan Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:23 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:The Obama Christmas spectacular

Sounds like an interesting idea for a reality show Laughing

by Mrs Figg Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:29 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:where's the joy?- Figg

If you found no joy
Spoiler:
then you have no soul.

that's not joy, its fabricated and as fake as canned laughter, was deeply unfunny and very creepy. whats joyful about a tank? tanks are weapons of mass destruction.

by malickfan Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:33 pm

Mrs Figg wrote:
Pettytyrant101 wrote:where's the joy?- Figg

If you found no joy
Spoiler:
then you have no soul.

that's not joy, its fabricated and as fake as canned laughter, was deeply unfunny and very creepy. whats joyful about a tank? tanks are weapons of mass destruction.

Exactly, being random and quirky just for a few cheap laughs is lazy writing, this story is hinting at the Doctor's moral dilema for killing/not killing Davros creator of the daleks...and what does he do casually steal and drive around a tank in the middle ages for no reason other than to make a few grandad esque 'jokes' Rolling Eyes

The electric guitar was funny (and apt as Capaldi was in a rock band in his youth) though.

The true joy in this episode was when the Doctor hugged Clara, Capaldi is a much more subtle actor than Smith or Tennant, and overblown showboating or obvious attempts at being 'quirky' don't fit with his Doctor.

by Pettytyrant101 Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:40 pm

I dont think it was done just for cheap laughs, but also for laughs. It was showing how the Doctor was reacting to the event the story is about. He hides from his own shame by basically going on a bender for 3 weeks.
Its was also an excellent way of bringing the three main characters together, in that it was both humorous, and the music choices the Doctor played in regards to them were narratively telling in themselves.

by Mrs Figg Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:40 pm

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by Pettytyrant101 Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:42 pm

Still dont understand why you do keep watching given your opinion of it for the last 4 years.

by Mrs Figg Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:45 pm

neither do I. it suckers me every time. hope springs eternal I guess. Shrugging

still cant believe my favourite show is so dreary.

by malickfan Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:46 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:Still dont understand why you do keep watching given your opinion of it for the last 4 years.

Agreed (though I actually agree with some of Figgs points)...though it's kinda fun to see you two argue Sofa

Figgs have you watched Classic Who at all?

Another thought...isn't it kinda convinient Missy can somehow tap into and control every plane on the planet yet being bonkers made and willing to commit genocide at the click of her fingers...she dosen't Suspect

by Mrs Figg Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:51 pm

malickfan wrote:
Pettytyrant101 wrote:Still dont understand why you do keep watching given your opinion of it for the last 4 years.

Agreed (though I actually agree with some of Figgs points)...though it's kinda fun to see you two argue

Figgs have you watched Classic Who at all?

Another thought...isn't it kinda convinient Missy can somehow tap into and control every plane on the planet yet being bonkers made and willing to commit genocide at the click of her fingers...she dosen't

yes. I have watched all classic Who since I was 3 years old and although I only really remember from Tom Bakers stint onwards, I went off Who during Davidsons era. couldn't stand him.

by Pettytyrant101 Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:53 pm

the true joy in this episode was when the Doctor hugged Clara- Malick

That was beautifully played.

I also thought Clara's scene at the restaurant table with Missy was very good, even if Clara did fade out the main story a bit into the background towards the end as it focused more on the Doctor and Missy and Davros.
Also some incredibly good dialogue, in particular I loved the Doctor's "How scared do you need to be to encase every member of your entire race inside a tank?"

I've quit watching technically 4 times- the first was not for long, 3/4 of a series I think- stopped a few episodes into 5's run. Then I stopped again during six, tuned back in to see some of Mcoys first episode and promptly left again. And then I stopped once more during RTD and 10's era, and came back for the end and the new Doctor.

Eventually went back and saw everything I'd missed for continuity and for completionist sake.

by malickfan Sat Sep 19, 2015 11:56 pm

Mrs Figg wrote:
yes. I have watched all classic Who since I was 3 years old and although I only really remember from Tom Bakers stint onwards, I went off Who during Davidsons era. couldn't stand him.

I haven't seen much of Davidson's era yet, he's a good actor but his Doctor strikes me as the slighty wimpy boring older brother who can't control his younger more interesting siblings and leads them into danger when the plot requires it...