is the arkenstone one of the silmarils?

i saw this question being asked at bree, so i well as ask it here. is it?

No- that was simple.  

Ok to add a bit more, the Silmarils were created by Feanor and trapped the light from the Two Trees in them- the Arkenstone was mined out of the heart of the Lonely Mountain.

but didn't they get lost or someting? could they not have ended up inside a mountain?

They werent lost as such- the one Beren and Luthien retrieved was set in the heavens as a star. The other two were sort of lost- one ended up in a fiery pit and the other in the sea.

So they are accounted for, and a later bit of Tolkien writing has a prophecy by Maedhros that at the end of days when Morgoth is defeated in the Battle of Battles the silmarils will be restored by the Valar, the world remade and the simarils broken open and the light returned to the newly restored Trees to light the world with blissful light

So I would say on balance there is no chance the Arkenstone is a Silmaril.

However out of fiction I think Tolkien did have them in mind and just used them for TH which in his original conception was not meant to be connected in anyway to his (at the time) private world of the Silmarillion- so he probably felt he could use a similar description for it to the Silmarils without any problems as no one would know.

 

Pettytyrant101 wrote:No- that was simple.  

Ok to add a bit more, the Silmarils were created by Feanor and trapped the light from the Two Trees in them- the Arkenstone was mined out of the heart of the Lonely Mountain.

Ayup Jason...

Did a good Job, Didn't I ?

     

Bit showy   

Typical male   All pockets & no trousers !

Well I certainly dont have any trousers!   

Holy heck, how do you fumble for your loose change ??    

Thats easy- I never have any- thats why its never my round  

Ayup...

Showy ? Of course, sometimes the most beautiful things are...

And as to 'Pockets versus trousers'. Azriel, fancy a rummage ?

go on then ! what will I find ? an old bus ticket ?  

thanx petty for clearing that ^^ i didn't they they were, but i was just curious what the facts behind it was  


probably nothing, Azriel.

yup, but think of the fun finding out Norc **heehee**

I think you pointed out the facts of where the Silmarills ended up quite well, Petty.

Though I'm not sure you can rule out the posibility of the Arkenstone being the Silmarill that was swallowed byt he earth, and refound by the dwarves. It's unlikely perhaps, but not impossible to imagine a connection.

I don't think I ever have believed that myself, but I don't think I would rule it out completely.

Problem is also the timeline in Tolkiens writing on these points. How much of the story of the Silmarills were mapped out before he wrote the Hobbit?

We need a Lore Master to answer that- where has Elthir got too? (I suppose Eldo will do at a push    )

azriel wrote:yup, but think of the fun finding out Norc **heehee**

i see no aspect of searching Feanor's trousers as 'fun', azriel, and there is absolutely boring finding out something u already know.

azriel wrote:go on then ! what will I find ? an old bus ticket ?  

Does this mean a trip down south then or will a picture suffice ??

Norc wrote:probably nothing, Azriel.

Ive got 'Something' all right Norc, But I have to assume then that yours are bigger than mine. yes ?

But don't worry, even if they were, I still wouldnt care... Mine work perfectly fine. 

What is happening in this thread?   

Just a bit of fun, RA. just a bit of fun

Anyways I like the idea of the Arkenstone's conception being influenced by the Silmarils. It sort of reminds me how the Silmarillion is sort of paraphrased with that paragraph in Flies and Spiders. I like that Tolkien was able to include elements of his mythos into this fairy story with no one knowing (at the time).

Interesting thought. The AS did generate its own light, didn't it?

That's not to say that I think the Arkenstone's and a Silmaril are one and the same though.
By the way Norc, is Bree back up? You saw a topic posted there. I still can't seem to get back there. I wonder if the place is officially dead.

As much as I don't think it was ever intended as such, the Arkenstone could have been the one that Maedhros threw in to the fiery chasm. I don't know if it is ever specified where the Arkenstone was found but I don't think it was either the lonely or grey mountains.

I would have thought there would be some more clues to this situation if it were a domain though... unless the description is a clue?

Are there any letters about it?