All New Who

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{{What? Its perfectly clear! You are obviously just not drunk enough yet to understand it }}}

Video tribute to the series, 'Every' Doctor who story through to March 2015:

Not including:
K9,
New series books,
Virgin New Adventures,
Titan Comics,
Totally Doctor Who,
The Companion Chronicles,
The Lost Stories,
The Early Adventures,
Jango & Lightfoot,
Gallifrey,
Counter Measures,
Bernice Summerfeild,
Destiny of the Doctors,
Hornets' Nest,
Dalek Empire,
Cybermen,
I, Daveros,

Big finish and DWM sections as-of March 2015.

God knows how long it would be if it did...this site lists over 3,300 stories and counting!:

http://www.eyespider.freeserve.co.uk/drwho/compleat.html

Pettytyrant101 wrote:{{What? Its perfectly clear! You are obviously just not drunk enough yet to understand it }}}

Sounds like a good phrase to some up Forumshire sometimes

{{Quite the tour de force fan vid for the Capaldi Era- spoilery though}}

{{{Something a little different, even if you are not a Whovian I'd urge you to give it a watch}}

{{Bit of fun}}

They've announced the cast for the new spin off 'Class':


http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/cast-for-doctor-who-spin-off-class-announced-80348.htm




...Can't say I'm particularly excited by this, it's a young adult series with a tenuous link to the series at best (though Capaldi is strongly hinted to guest star) made and commissioned on a BBC3 budget, that won't appeal to a vast swathe of Who's target audience anyway.

Personally I would have rather seen a UNIT spin off, an animated series with Past Doctors or even Torchwood brought back (Though RTD has confirmed it's dead on TV and Big Finish are planning a audio series 5 anyway).

I'll probably give it a spin, but this just seems like a desperate, unnecessary plot by the BBC to pander to younger audiences...given it's shot and made by alot of the same crew of the parent show it's diverting resource and money for a gamble that might not pay off...

{{{{They have been looking for something since Sarah Jane went off to fill that demographic in the audience. I would have thought a Paster Noster Gang spin off better. If had not been for the sad and untimely death of Elizabeth Sladen, Sarah Jane would probably still be running- I think its nothing more than the BBC trying to grab that audience back as it worked before- smacks of an executive level decision by someone who spends to much time looking at charts. I suspect it will run for a couple of series maybe, three if lucky and disappear. File along with the various K9 spinoffs!}}}

Pettytyrant101 wrote:{{{{They have been looking for something since Sarah Jane went off to fill that demographic in the audience. I would have thought a Paster Noster Gang spin off better. If had not been for the sad and untimely death of Elizabeth Sladen, Sarah Jane would probably still be running- I think its nothing more than the BBC trying to grab that audience back as it worked before- smacks of an executive level decision by someone who spends to much time looking at charts. I suspect it will run for a couple of series maybe, three if lucky and disappear. File along with the various K9 spinoffs!}}}

The PasterNoster gang are funny in small doses but I'm not sure they could carry a tv series (Moffat has stated the BBC had approached him about doing it ages ago, but he's too busy ).

The guy writing Class is an award winning YA author (American as well, so he'll have a different perspective) so he should know what he's doing, but even so this just seems...random...I'm picturing Waterloo Road+ unconvincing rubber aliens and over the top angst.

Judging by the Facebook page alot of viewers feel the same...

{{Unless I hear particularly good and worthwhile things about it once its actually out there I probably wont bother with it, same as I didn't bother with Sarah Jane Adventures except a few recommended and the crossover Doctor episodes. I suspect I will do much the same here.

With the Paternosters I see a good bit of scoop if they are willing to go broader for Who characters- Jago and litefoot are there after all and they get plenty adventures to do. There are crossover possibilities too, even with events from the 4th Doctor who spent a bit of time there, and Victorian Clara is there too- quick mind wipe after events and or some timey whimey thing and they get her in for a special ep.

Id never advise judging anything on a facebook page }}}}

I would have been interested in Torchwood returning.

{{{{Sadly it seems a bit complicated there, as there seems to be rights issues to do with whatever the deal was they did to make the last series with its US or Canadian backers or whoever they were. Quite possibly also why we have never seen Jack back in Who since either. And as the last series of Torchwood was god-awful and killed it stone dead as a tv show )mind you in my view only Children of the Earth is worth a watch anyway- a classic style UK sci-fi mini-series, worthy of contending with the likes of Quatermass) you will just have to listen to the BF audio dramas (and no I dont know how that works, can only assume the audio rights are separate from the appearance once or something)}}}

{{{Got a pub for you to visit Halfy }}}

{{{{If you are familiar with the cult indie game Five Nights at Freddies, this is based off it, Five Nights at Torchwood}}

Pettytyrant101 wrote:{{{Got a pub for you to visit Halfy    }}}

I love that the Tardis conceals the bathroom!

But it's pretty far off in Brooklyn. The fact that they have music improves the pull, but it's still nearly 1.5 hours travel time each way.

{{{The fact its that far each way indicates not having a good night at the pub! How good a night you have had at the pub can be mathematically worked out, I'd have thought you'd have known the rule - the amount of time it takes you to get home should be at least twice the amount of time it takes you to get there, every hour longer indicates an exponential increase in good times had by all (or at least you are drunk enough to think your drunken antics all night have been amusing to all and that a good time was indeed had by all) What do they teach you in American crabbit mathematics? Nothing useful it seems }}}

I'm not blessed with any of Dave's cranberry bogs conveniently located on the way home.  What you want in my situation is for the less busy subway stops to have their loading platforms in each direction arranged non-symmetrically: one end of each platform facing a blank wall.  There's more of them than you might think; but as far as I know nobody's been bright enough to map them out.

Mrs Figg wrote:I would have been interested in Torchwood returning.

Big Finish are doing audio stories:

https://www.bigfinish.com/ranges/v/torchwood

According to an old issue of their magazine Vortex they were at one stage planning a Audio only series 5 with RTD's involvement:


https://www.bigfinish.com/vortex/v/79

TORCHWOOD – outside the government, beyond the
police, tracking down alien life on Earth and
coming to audio this month! As characters and
concepts from 21st century Doctor Who begin to feature in
new Big Finish releases, Torchwood is an obvious fit for a
Big Finish series, with larger than life characters.
Early work on the new series was carried out by former
Big Finish producer Gary Russell, working closely with
the series’ executive producers Russell T Davies and Julie
Gardner, before Gary’s busy schedule meant he had to
relinquish the task.

Gary said: “Torchwood was something I thought had
a perfect home at Big Finish for years – luckily Russell
and Julie agreed and in 2013, the three of us started
talking about ways to make this happen. I believe Russell
said to BBC Worldwide he thought it should go ahead,
they contacted Big Finish who, at Russell’s suggestion,
conveniently came to me.

“Russell and I began plotting ideas for what would have
been an audio season five, set post-Miracle Day, with some
new, some older characters and a new set-up back in Cardiff
(where I feel Torchwood absolutely belongs).
“Then I moved to Australia and it became increasingly
difficult for me to run the series from 10,000 miles away.
Big Finish understandably wanted some product, so
myself and Scott Handcock devised the Dorian Gray-style
not-full-cast-but-not-straight-readings idea. Neither of us
were in a position to produce them, however. James Goss
was the obvious choice to do these. They could be set
during the first four seasons of Torchwood but not tread
on the toes of the still-planned season five.”

No idea if that is still going to happen...but if the BBC and RTD are happy for them to do it on audio, that seems to confirm it's dead on TV unfortunately

 audio just isn't the same. its all very strange considering Captain Jack is one of the most popular characters, he always tops polls.

{{{I read there is some complicated rights issue to do with how the last Torchwood tv series was produced, and I don't see anyone in a rush at the BBC to cough up the cash it will probably take to solve it, and with the threat from Tories the BBC are slashing budgets all over the place, Who included, so don't see anything being done about it in a hurry}}}

Pettytyrant101 wrote:{{{I read there is some complicated rights issue to do with how the last Torchwood tv series was produced, and I don't see anyone in a rush at the BBC to cough up the cash it will probably take to solve it, and with the threat from Tories the BBC are slashing budgets all over the place, Who included, so don't see anything being done about it in a hurry}}}

There's also the unfortunate issues that A) Barrowman is ageing, and B) Eve Myles gave the impression in a recent tweet that she was retiring from the role:

http://blogtorwho.com/eve-myles-says-goodbye-playing-gwen-cooper/

It might be best that BF can now develop old and new stories not tied down too much with TV continuity-look at how far they developed Colin and Paul's Doctors...

{{{{Time Travel Conundrums and Series 9

Having recently finished re watching series 9 start to finish I am struck by the paradoxes and classic time travel riddles which it has. In particular in relation to the overall arc of the Hybrid.

But first lets take a look at the stories themselves – the first is The Magicians Apprentice/The Witches Familiar- whose central story deals with the classic time travel conundrum of if you could go back and kill Hitler when he was still an innocent child- would you and should you do it? Replace Hitler with Davros and you have the same scenario.

The next story is Under the Lake/Before the Flood which upfront tells you its a paradox story, a bootstrap paradox to be precise. That's important- remember it for later!

The next story The Girl who Died/The Woman who Lived is not on the surface a paradox or classic time travel conundrum.
However its all about the character of Me, and she, by being made immortal by the Doctor, becomes part of the larger series wide paradoxes. She becomes part of events already underway (begging the question of pre-destiny or not?).

Next up for stories dealing with paradoxes is Face the Raven/Hell Bent/Heaven Sent, although the story itself is not a paradox this episode is the keystone to the series overall paradoxes. Its here everyone caught up in the overall events comes together - Me, the Doctor, Clara and the Time Lords- and the paradoxes become apparent.

And by Hell Bent the two overall paradoxes can be put together.

The first paradox is the Doctos actions. In that it clear that the Doctor knows from the start the outcome- but seems to be hazy on two events, well one for definite, maybe two- firstly exactly when Clara dies, all he seems to know is that it will be once they start travelling together again.

There are loads of points that show this- its the reason he goes into the past and goes on a week long bender, having just set in motion events which he knows will lead to Clara's death (I'll come back to this one), when he meets her and she asks which one of them is dying he hugs her and tells her he is hiding his face from her, implying to hide the truth written on it that she is.

In Under the Lake he tells her he feels a duty of care to keep her safe, and warns her against acting too recklessly and too much like him, in the Girl Who Lived he again tells her that he is worried every time they have an adventure something will happen to her , in the Zygon inversion he makes an oblique reference to events in Hell Bent along with a very knowing look lingered on by the camera as he looks at her. This alongside more such small glances at telling story moments that I am sure I have forgotten.

The second thing he may or may not know is the eventual outcome of events, I think not, I think he only knows as far as saving Clara, after they go to the very last moments of time to escape the Time Lords, I don't think he knows what happens after that, or if the path will lead him to his destruction or not.

But to go back to the Doctor setting things in motion. Which is the first, and more subtle of the series arcs as it requires two watches to be really certain of and some hindsight to fill it all in.

In the prequel to series 9 the Doctor gives his confession dial to the head of the Sisterhood of Karn, and says '”you know who to give this too”- we later find out that person is Missy. But in response to being given it Ohila  replies, “The path you have set yourself on can only lead to your destruction.”
This can't pertain to Davros, as he has nothing to do with the dial.

But the confession dial is the Doctors means to the Time Lords, to the extraction chamber and to saving Clara- its also a path which could lead to his destruction- but he has to know future events to know that the confession dial is the key to events and will set him on 'the path'.

Giving the confession dial over begins the chain of events which follows, and the Doctor knows it because he has gone ahead to see what happens- it is in short a series long bootstrap paradox- he gives her the confession dial because he knows he gives her the confession dial, which explains why that particular paradox out of the many sorts in his series was given such prominence with a full intro length, fourth wall breaking explanation of the bootstrap paradox in Before the Flood.

This brings us to the second paradox of the series and the up front one- the Hybrid, we are teased with mentions of it all series. But what's really important about it is that what happens is a result of the Time Lords interfering because they are afraid of it.

They create the Hybrid by trying to find out about the Hybrid.

By setting the trap for the Doctor in Face the Raven they inadvertently kill Clara, that grief, pain, self-recrimination and memory of her driving him on and his sense of duty to her will push him to extremes in the hell of the Confession Dial to save her, and in doing what is necessary to save her he breaks all his own rules for being the Doctor in Hell Bent and becomes the very Hybrid prophesied that the Time Lords were trying to stop in the first place. Its only realisation, understanding and self-sacrificing that ultimately redeem him and let him become the Doctor again.

But its the Time Lords who create him, who make him the Hybrid by trying to stop it happening.
But its also interwoven with the Doctors own paradox of having prior knowledge of key events and so twisting things to his preferred outcome. He is as Ohila said in the first episode of the series, “right behind you, and one step ahead.” A statement which is in itself, a paradox.

So basically series 9 has two paradoxes for an arc, one surface one more subtle, and several individual paradoxes in individual stories, plus time-travel conundrums, physical and moral.

Anyone got any thoughts on my pondering, or anything else they may have noticed I've overlooked?}}}}}

{{No one got any thoughts at all on all those paradoxes ect?

Ah well here's a rather nice rearrangement of the 12th Doctor theme for drum and bass (wish they would hurry up and release series 9's soundtrack- hell I'd pay just for the Heaven Sent soundtrack }}}