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Post by halfwise Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:59 pm

Are you saying "If this is the kind of bland pointless dreck I need to write I don't want to bother"?  Because that reaction makes sense to me.  

EDIT: Maybe I should have said "I kind of like it, but realize it's bland pointless dreck that has been done to death, so why bother?"

Very different from Schubert thinking that after Beethoven there was nothing left worth saying.  I thought you were having this second reaction to the Byrds song, and I just couldn't see it.


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Post by Sinister71 Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:18 pm

I always draw upon real life for inspiration. I recently wrote a song called "Demons in the darkness" about childhood fears about the dark and monsters under the bed,in the closet. Purely fiction but reality based... I don't tend to do the whole love song thing since its been done to death. I prefer more unconventional subject matter. One of the ballads I wrote has a very beautiful haunting melody which one would think is about love but the lyrics are about dying after living a long full life.

sometimes the best way to write a song or lyrics is to look inside and from your experiences. I tend to write a lot of darker stuff but that is my Edgar Allen Poe influence I guess


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Post by Sinister71 Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:21 am

THIS is the perfect rock song for me, well this one and most Beatles songs. This guy is a great singer and SO underrated. Love his version a bit more than the original


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Post by Bluebottle Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:19 pm

That's prettty cool. Nod Though for some reason I always prefered Ronnie Lanes songs in the Faces.



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Post by Bluebottle Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:22 pm

halfwise wrote:Are you saying "If this is the kind of bland pointless dreck I need to write I don't want to bother"?  Because that reaction makes sense to me.  

EDIT: Maybe I should have said "I kind of like it, but realize it's bland pointless dreck that has been done to death, so why bother?"

Very different from Schubert thinking that after Beethoven there was nothing left worth saying.  I thought you were having this second reaction to the Byrds song, and I just couldn't see it.

No, I'm saying it's a beatiful song. But I don't make any pretense as to it's genre. It's a silly love song. Like the Elton John song you mentioned. Still, it's a beatiful melody I'd say. A bit like the Beethoven example, but not quite.. Wink

"I'd like to love you.."  not "I love you." Perhaps it's a small thing, but I think it strikes at the heart of love. You can't force it on someone. Oh, who knows. Maybe I'm just projecting. Razz

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Post by halfwise Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:45 pm

Well...depends on how you read it. If 'love you' is seen as a carnal act, it sort of changes things. Or maybe they simply changed the words to make it fit the melody. I suppose I'm not reading as much into the song as you are. Shrugging

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Post by bungobaggins Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:46 am

Halfwise wrote:I'm rather underwhelmed the Byrds' song. It's sort of there and gets the job done, but it doesn't catch you the way 'Your Song' by Elton John does, for example. Not sure why that particular song by the Byrds intimidated you, Blue. I think you should aim for a more distinctive voice.

I have to agree with Halfy on this. But I'm not entirely sure what the real issue is here, lyrics or music (maybe it's both). The music in the Byrds song is really static, reminds me of early Beatles. Parts of it even remind me of Nights in White Satin by The Moody Blues (just little moments here and there). But The Moody Blues blows them out of the water in terms of music and lyrics.



Although the lyrics in the chorus are blasé "Oh, how I'll love you...etc.", the music makes up for it with the gradual crescendo and the sustained notes in the melody. Not even to mention the other lyrics in Nights in White Satin. Very poetic, and part of a whole on a programmatic album.



And as long as I have an opportunity to bring Schubert into a conversation about love songs. Razz



Now that's a love song. Nod Brooding, private, moody, unsure, torn. That's a love song. Very Happy Sein Kuß! What drama! Gives me chills every time!

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Post by Sinister71 Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:32 am

Love the Moody Blues, they always had feeling in their stuff. Some of the other prog type bands had the chops but lacked on emotion like the Moody Blues did

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Post by bungobaggins Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:11 am

Moody Blues are great. Saw Justin Hayward on PBS a couple months ago, sounds just as great as he does on that recording above. Very Happy

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Post by Eldorion Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:24 am

My brother has been listening to a lot of classical music lately, so when I went to visit him a week or two ago and wanted to have something to contribute to the conversation, I namedropped Philip Glass because I remembered bungo talking about him. My brother hadn't heard of him but I saw him again just the other day and apparently he's now well on his way to becoming a Glass fan himself. I just wanted to share this for bungo's sake. Nod
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Post by Sinister71 Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:38 am

my son has been playing bass with Classical music like Beethoven, Grieg, and Mozart... Super talented kid

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Post by bungobaggins Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:23 am

That's great Eldo! Very Happy

This is me playing Glass. {{{You can hear the audience fall asleep. Razz}}}


Here's what it's arranged from:

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Post by Bluebottle Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:48 pm

Ah, looks like I missed it.

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Post by Bluebottle Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:49 pm

Just keeping this thing going. Sofa

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Post by azriel Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:47 pm

Awh, thats sweet !

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Post by halfwise Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:18 pm

bungobaggins wrote:That's great Eldo! Very Happy

This is me playing Glass. {{{You can hear the audience fall asleep. Razz}}}


Here's what it's arranged from:

your version has more feeling than original.

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Post by Bluebottle Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:54 pm

Oh, it's back. Nice. Very Happy Did you arrange it yourself?

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Post by bungobaggins Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:00 pm

No, it was arranged by the pianist Paul Barnes.

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Post by bungobaggins Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:40 pm

halfwise wrote:

your version has more feeling than original.

Well, I tried to be emotive as I could. Plus it's very difficult when you don't the have distinct timbres of the voices and violin. You have to make a lot of your own decisions about what you want to do where and why. (Plus the score only gives you so much to go off of; some dynamic markings, slurs, but that's about it.)

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Post by bungobaggins Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:43 pm

Apparently while I was busy with life Philip Glass released the rest of his twenty etudes.



Which means they are now published and I can get the sheet music! cheers (But they're currently on back order. Mad)

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Post by Bluebottle Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:18 pm


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Post by azriel Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:30 pm

[quote="bungobaggins"]That's great Eldo! Very Happy

This is me playing Glass. {{{You can hear the audience fall asleep. Razz}}}


Im impressed Bungo Very Happy that was brilliant, Very Happy

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Post by bungobaggins Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:31 pm

You guys are too nice. Very Happy I love you

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Post by halfwise Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:55 pm

Bluebottle wrote:

strange vid for good song.

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