Re: Hobbit vs. LOTR

by Radaghast Wed Nov 27, 2013 10:56 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:Part of Jacksons mistake were making them in to those kinds of movies- Blue

I could not agree more. Its the wrong format entirely in my view unless you make more than 3 films, probably 6 would be best, film is not a suitable medium at all for it.
TV is better suited overall I feel.

I agree. I think it should have been a series, ala Game of Thrones.

by Pettytyrant101 Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:00 pm

"I don't care about the Avengers nearly as much as I do Tolkien's works"- Radagast

My biggest problem with Avengers was I didnt care about anybody in it- I found them all equally uninteresting characters presented in a manner that made them varying degrees of dislikeable.
If Loki had killed them all half way through and gone home for tea for the rest of the film I would have been cheering him on.
Given the script writer I was very surprised at how poorly the characters were drawn and how little warmth or depth any of them had.

by RA Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:22 pm

The heart of the problem I feel is that Jackson made action movies out of stories that aren't necessarily action stories. They were really good action movies by the standards that have been set in the genre. But Tolkien's stories aren't in that genre which is why it's so easy to find fault in them through comparison.

by Pettytyrant101 Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:28 pm

But Tolkien's stories aren't in that genre- RA

And that is indeed the problem. The very thing that makes Tolkien unique and powerful is the very thing they subvert by forcing into that genre.

by Eldorion Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:56 am

Pettytyrant101 wrote:Given the script writer I was very surprised at how poorly the characters were drawn and how little warmth or depth any of them had.

Out of curiosity, have you seen any of the Marvel Studios movies that preceded The Avengers? They were the first two Iron Man movies, the Hulk reboot, and the first Thor and Captain America movies. I'd imagine a lot of character things about The Avengers would be pretty meaningless to someone who hadn't been following the interlocking series(es) to that point.

by Eldorion Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:59 am

Bluebottle wrote:I have to say on behalf of the "Lord of the Rings" films that they were decent, yes even good, movies. It's the kind of movies they were made into and the way that they were adapted from the books I have trouble with.

The Hobbit movies of course are a completely different matter.

I agree about the adaptation stuff, but setting that aside for the moment, I think the LOTR films were great. This is despite their have numerous flaws, because I think the highs are that good (and I think there are more of them than lows). I'm reluctant to pin their flaws on the films being blockbusters, although I would agree that it's not the best format for a Middle-earth adaptation. But I do enjoy well-made blockbuster films very much, and the LOTR films were very well-made. Many of their flaws are IMO traceable back to PJ's own tendencies as a film-maker, which affect even his non-blockbuster films, such as The Lovely Bones (or so I'm told by people who have seen that).

by Forest Shepherd Thu Nov 28, 2013 4:56 am

Radaghast wrote:
Pettytyrant101 wrote:Part of Jacksons mistake were making them in to those kinds of movies- Blue

I could not agree more. Its the wrong format entirely in my view unless you make more than 3 films, probably 6 would be best, film is not a suitable medium at all for it.
TV is better suited overall I feel.
I agree. I think it should have been a series, ala Game of Thrones.

Take your George "R. R." Martin fanboy talk elsewhere IF IT BLOODY WELL PLEASE YOU!!!

As for you other wankers: Cease your patronizing dismissal of The Lord of the Rings Immediately. I have NEVER seen such insolence before. This is too much. Too far. YOU have gone too far.
To pat each-other on the back while putting out these heinous slanderisms is incredibly rude to both the filmmakers AND the general populace, but also greatly insults my intelligence. Presumably, you expect me to come onto this forum and share in your devilish revels and self-congratulatory criticisms.

"Oh look!" you say, "what poorly written dialogue! If only Bakshi could have directed this film instead. Perhaps this would work best in play format. After all, the visuals matter not, this is Tolkien we're talking about. Bring on the rotoscopes! HahahohohehehHA!"

And then, another of your number pipes up from his ignorant perch upon scrawled-over LotR posters (Arwen with a Three Musketeers mustachio prominently placed on the wall behind) and reminds us of the Medieval Pornography that is Martin's book and television series and has the balls to compare that bloated series of penis-jokes to the oscar-winning films that totally wowed everyone who wasn't COMPLETELY BRAINDEAD only 10 years ago.

Ridiculous.

Insulting.

Wow. There are no words.

In fact there are some. Let it be written upon the title that leads fools to this whoreson thread: "ABANDON ALL PRIDE, YE WHO ENTER HERE. FOR SODDEN BLASPHEMIES LIE WITHIN ME."

I shall not take up any more of time spent so very well in film discussion, bigoted toadies. Burn all the effigies you like, but only in the DARK and secret AND [u]far away, out of sight and mind, of myself[/b] if you mean to avoid reality checks.

I am not going to wait for an apology, but one would be appreciated. I hope it is forthcoming. I may even go peruse some of my favourite bits of the EXCELLENT LotR film series while I wait.

If you need me, I will be giving Jamie Lannister a unibrow in Photoshop, along with some missing teeth.

Disclaimer: Game of Thrones is a really good series, even if the tv series prefers showing bouncing genitals to working on character development.

by RA Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:11 am

by bungobaggins Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:11 am

Sorry, what? I was too busy creating this masterpiece.

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by Eldorion Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:15 am

Forest Shepherd should win an Oscar for that post.

by bungobaggins Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:20 am

Here is your Oscar.

Spoiler:

by Radaghast Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:23 am

Forest Shepherd wrote:Take your George "R. R." Martin fanboy talk elsewhere IF IT BLOODY WELL PLEASE YOU!!!

Take your annoying Dr. Who gifs elsewhere if it BLOODY WELL PLEASE YOU!!!

Laughing

As for you other wankers: Cease your patronizing dismissal of The Lord of the Rings Immediately. I have NEVER seen such insolence before. This is too much. Too far. YOU have gone too far.
To pat each-other on the back while putting out these heinous slanderisms is incredibly rude to both the filmmakers AND the general populace, but also greatly insults my intelligence. Presumably, you expect me to come onto this forum and share in your devilish revels and self-congratulatory criticisms.

The general populace could do with a good bit of insulting, as do these so-called "EXCELLENT" films that don't give a "mummer's fart" (if you'll pardon the reference) about the audience's intelligence

"Oh look!" you say, "what poorly written dialogue! If only Bakshi could have directed this film instead. Perhaps this would work best in play format. After all, the visuals matter not, this is Tolkien we're talking about. Bring on the rotoscopes! HahahohohehehHA!"

And take your bloody non sequiturs along as well!!! Razz

And then, another of your number pipes up from his ignorant perch upon scrawled-over LotR posters (Arwen with a Three Musketeers mustachio prominently placed on the wall behind) and reminds us of the Medieval Pornography that is Martin's book and television series and has the balls to compare that bloated series of penis-jokes to the oscar-winning films that totally wowed everyone who wasn't COMPLETELY BRAINDEAD only 10 years ago.

Well, I certainly wouldn't advocate putting anything in the story that wasn't there. That's Peter Jackson's bag Mad

Ridiculous.

Yes, it is.

Insulting.

Yes, he is.

Wow. There are no words.

In fact there are some. Let it be written upon the title that leads fools to this whoreson thread: "ABANDON ALL PRIDE, YE WHO ENTER HERE. FOR SODDEN BLASPHEMIES LIE WITHIN ME."

I shall not take up any more of time spent so very well in film discussion, bigoted toadies. Burn all the effigies you like, but only in the DARK and secret AND [u]far away, out of sight and mind, of myself[/b] if you mean to avoid reality checks.

But if I burn something, the fire will produce light Shrugging

I am not going to wait for an apology, but one would be appreciated. I hope it is forthcoming. I may even go peruse some of my favourite bits of the EXCELLENT LotR film series while I wait.

Alright...I'm sorry you like those movies. Okay? clown

If you need me, I will be giving Jamie Lannister a unibrow in Photoshop, along with some missing teeth.

It's good to have a hobby Razz

Disclaimer: Game of Thrones is a really good series, even if the tv series prefers showing bouncing genitals to working on character development.

Please don't forget to take your hyperbolic generalizations Very Happy

by Radaghast Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:23 am

bungobaggins wrote:Sorry, what? I was too busy creating this masterpiece.

by Eldorion Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:27 am

Well this thread has turned into a mummer's farce.

by Radaghast Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:30 am

I thought it'd done that already after the "Hippo Butt Explosion".

Laughing

by bungobaggins Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:38 am

Eldorion wrote:Well this thread has turned into a mummer's farce.

by RA Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:11 am

by Ringdrotten Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:43 am

Pettytyrant101 wrote:that they were decent, yes even good, movies. - Bluebottle

If you dont mind atrocious dialogue, poor characterisations, no logic to the geography and distances between places and events, huge inconsistencies like appearing disappearing elven armies, characters whose motivations make no sense, impossible physical acts, clichéd plotting devices (Faramir changes/Frodo sending Sam away, Frodo in a literal cliffhanger), a climatic final battle with no tension, peril, or sense of a chance of defeat thanks to the arrival of an invincible army of dead on a killing spree, and an ending that makes absolutely no sense in the context of what has just gone before it, then yeah, decent, if you say so. I might not however.

Oh, you lovely person, you

by **Orwell** Thu Nov 28, 2013 8:43 am

Is it just me, or do others here think it one of the world's great curiousities* that Petty has spent half his adult life editing movies he hates? Laughing

* I was going to say 'ironies' but somehow 'curiousities' seems more apt to me. Very Happy

by Pettytyrant101 Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:48 am

Out of curiosity, have you seen any of the Marvel Studios movies that preceded The Avengers?-Eldo

I saw 1 Iron Man film and thought- why would I want to watch this , stuck for over 2 hours in the presence of a lead charcater best summed up by the word Prick?
I saw half of one of the Hulk films, I couldnt manage to make it all the way through the rest.
I saw all of Captain America out of a sort of amazement anything that bad could have gotten made- I particularly enjoyed how in the 1940's you could get from Europe to America by air in a prop plane in about four minutes.

As far as I could tell Avengerss took everything that was absolutely appalling about those films and combined them together to create the least engaging cinema experience I can remember having since the last PJ film.

"what poorly written dialogue!"- Forest

Now you are getting it, yes it was terrible indeed. All the more so when you consider the beauty and richness of the dialogue Tolkien gifted them with for free. (not sure where Bakshi comes into this however- as although his script is easily closer as an adaptation the limit of the film formula still applies and ruin it- hence the belief it belongs on the tv where the characters and pacing can deliver)

On Game of Thrones- I dont like it, found it dull and boring and stopped watching not a great deal of time after I started. War of the Roes with all the interesting stuff taken out, some fantasy elements added on top with a dash of paint, and a heart and soul replaced with a misplaced notion of what counts as 'gritty' and 'adult'.

"is it just me, or do others here think it one of the world's great curiousities* that Petty has spent half his adult life editing movies he hates?"- Orwell

It is a burden I must bear in order to restore some semblance of hope and decency to the world.

"Take your annoying Dr. Who gifs elsewhere"- Raddy

There is no such thing as annoying Who anything, except Adric.

by Forest Shepherd Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:19 pm

Note: for added viewing pleasure, don't view the awe-inspiring gif before reading the text above it, thanks!

Eldorion wrote:Forest Shepherd should win an Oscar for that post.

I was very happy with it, even if it did need some more polishing. The hardest part was not swearing. Razz

Radaghast wrote: Take your annoying Dr. Who gifs elsewhere if it BLOODY WELL PLEASE YOU!!!

hahaha, oh my. Too good.

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There simply is no such thing as annoying Dr. Who anythings in this world of ours. There are many reasons for this, but the good Doctor himself puts it most succinctly:

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Even the many Doctors of the past, despite their strange eccentricities and facial movements, are not annoying in the least!

Case in point, also brilliant:

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Ahem, of course:

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Need I GO ON?!?

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I could go on for a long time about the wonders of Dr. Who gifs, but I have better things to do, like sleep.

Have I forgotten anything important Doctor?

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Sorry he's busy dancing. Oh well, later!

One last thought:

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Yeah! What now! Smugdog

P.S.
I would apologize for coming across a bit abrupt in my earlier post, but then again to say that I'd have to feel some remorse. And...

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by Radaghast Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:19 pm

Forest Shepherd wrote:One last thought:

Yeah! What now!

(Sorry, couldn't find a Dr. Who gif Laughing

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by Radaghast Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:25 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:On Game of Thrones- I dont like it, found it dull and boring and stopped watching not a great deal of time after I started. War of the Roes with all the interesting stuff taken out, some fantasy elements added on top with a dash of paint, and a heart and soul replaced with a misplaced notion of what counts as 'gritty' and 'adult'.

Interesting. I originally intended not to watch it because GRRM seems to be stalling with the book series, but did anyway (or half of it) at a friend's insistence and was surprised by how much I liked it. I find the production and performances superior to many movies. For me, the series replicated the experience of reading the books.

But, just to clarify, I would never suggest LotR be gritty and what have you (though I also don't want to imply that anybody thought I was suggesting that Very Happy

); but just receive the same attention to detail and production values that GoT does.

"Take your annoying Dr. Who gifs elsewhere"- Raddy
There is no such thing as annoying Who anything, except Adric.

Fair enough. It's clear I have trod upon some sacred ground here pale

by Radaghast Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:44 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:"is it just me, or do others here think it one of the world's great curiousities* that Petty has spent half his adult life editing movies he hates?"- Orwell

It is a burden I must bear in order to restore some semblance of hope and decency to the world.

It's an interesting challenge, if nothing else.

by bungobaggins Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:47 pm

Recoveryanonymous wrote: