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As a medical professional, you know exactly what the smoking is doing to you Petty. You know what you need to do if you care about the quality of your life/death. BTW I've earned the right to nag in the chemo ward.
(But yes, please send the Who sooner rather than later! )
(But yes, please send the Who sooner rather than later! )
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As true in religion as in politics!- David
Indeed.
What interests me is i testing shaman ideas against science.
The physical description of the energy at large- which is as of strings which vibrate for example I knew about several years before I found out about String theory and couldn't help but be struck in the similarities in language between the science and shaman descriptions.
And for the same reason- Shamans are trying to explain in words an experience.
And the scientists were trying to explain in words something that only really makes sense in the language of mathematics.
As a result both descriptions of the universe, coming from opposite perspectives, sound remarkably similar to one another.
"As a medical professional, you know exactly what the smoking is doing to you Petty"- David
As a medical professional its why I do it, same reason you will find drug use and alcohol so much higher than average in that field too.
Indeed.
What interests me is i testing shaman ideas against science.
The physical description of the energy at large- which is as of strings which vibrate for example I knew about several years before I found out about String theory and couldn't help but be struck in the similarities in language between the science and shaman descriptions.
And for the same reason- Shamans are trying to explain in words an experience.
And the scientists were trying to explain in words something that only really makes sense in the language of mathematics.
As a result both descriptions of the universe, coming from opposite perspectives, sound remarkably similar to one another.
"As a medical professional, you know exactly what the smoking is doing to you Petty"- David
As a medical professional its why I do it, same reason you will find drug use and alcohol so much higher than average in that field too.
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Considering the weirdness that is our body and conscience, I don't find in inconceivable that perhaps the biological clock can be sensed by others or something. Dogs can smell cancer, women's cycle tunes with other women...
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I assume we will never get the details of this hair-raising story, or it would have come out by now. That may be a loss for us, but did the experience color your life, is it integral to the Figgy we've come to know?Mrs Figg wrote:Petty you asked whether I felt cold and calm, as I had just been told I was about to die in a horrible way, I was let us say, brown trousering it, so no, I wasnt calm at all. I must say that the knowledge must have saved my physical life, as I am still here (just) but part of my soul died instead. so it did partly come true.
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As a one-time mathematician I can tell you the language of mathematics isn't about making sense. It's about making rigor. The idea needs to come first. The formulas are just the hammer and tongs with which you forge the language to capture the idea.
Death wish then. Fair enough.As a medical professional its why I do it, same reason you will find drug use and alcohol so much higher than average in that field too.
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Not exactly a death wish, just a certainty of not wanting to risk living to long in this society. We have greatly extended the length of human life without working out yet how to extend the quality.
mathematics isn't about making sense. It's about making rigor. The idea needs to come first.- David
Yes but when it comes to then trying to describe to the layman they rely on imagery, metaphor, simile ect just as the shamans do in theirs- and they do sound very similar.
mathematics isn't about making sense. It's about making rigor. The idea needs to come first.- David
Yes but when it comes to then trying to describe to the layman they rely on imagery, metaphor, simile ect just as the shamans do in theirs- and they do sound very similar.
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I don't know which famous mathematician it was, but he had heard that a student had left mathematics in order to pursue writing novels. His comment was "it's just as well, he didn't have the imagination to be a mathematician."David H wrote: As a one-time mathematician I can tell you the language of mathematics isn't about making sense. It's about making rigor. The idea needs to come first. The formulas are just the hammer and tongs with which you forge the language to capture the idea.
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I'd be careful about taking similarities to the realm of equalities, though. The waves in string theory refer to things so infinitesimal it's not at all clear we'll be able to test the reality of it. The waves in shamanism seem much closer to our reality. Both are applying similar analogues seen in the world around them to describe very different observations. I wouldn't ascribe any deeper meaning to the similarities.Pettytyrant101 wrote:
What interests me is i testing shaman ideas against science.
The physical description of the energy at large- which is as of strings which vibrate for example I knew about several years before I found out about String theory and couldn't help but be struck in the similarities in language between the science and shaman descriptions.
And for the same reason- Shamans are trying to explain in words an experience.
And the scientists were trying to explain in words something that only really makes sense in the language of mathematics.
As a result both descriptions of the universe, coming from opposite perspectives, sound remarkably similar to one another.
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shamanism sounds a bit like Tibetan Buddhism
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The vibrations in the energy at large in shamanism are because the energy itself has awareness.
It wasnt the exact details anyway which struck me, it was how similar the language used to describe both was that struck me.
That two separate groups, coming at essentially the same problem, what is the universe when you get right down to it, would from completely different perspectives, choose to describe it in such similar terms seemed worthy of note.
Mrs Figg- yes, Buddhism and a lot of the eastern schools of mysticism share much of the same ideas as shamanism.
It wasnt the exact details anyway which struck me, it was how similar the language used to describe both was that struck me.
That two separate groups, coming at essentially the same problem, what is the universe when you get right down to it, would from completely different perspectives, choose to describe it in such similar terms seemed worthy of note.
Mrs Figg- yes, Buddhism and a lot of the eastern schools of mysticism share much of the same ideas as shamanism.
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I guess sohalfwise wrote:I assume we will never get the details of this hair-raising story, or it would have come out by now. That may be a loss for us, but did the experience color your life, is it integral to the Figgy we've come to know?Mrs Figg wrote:Petty you asked whether I felt cold and calm, as I had just been told I was about to die in a horrible way, I was let us say, brown trousering it, so no, I wasnt calm at all. I must say that the knowledge must have saved my physical life, as I am still here (just) but part of my soul died instead. so it did partly come true.
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So you would think you'd be looking for things that enhance quality while possibly shortening life. The trouble with most smoking-related deaths is they suck the life out of you by slow degrees. Not being able to breathe without oxygen really sucks!Petty wrote:We have greatly extended the length of human life without working out yet how to extend the quality.
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snogging smokers is gross too
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If it comes to that I see no reason to wait on nature to take its course. Ive sat by a lot of deaths, seen it in the seemingly fit, and seen in people who had been barely breathing skeletons for months before had. I have no fear or anxiety about my own death at all.
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You cant taste the baccy for the buckie Figgs.
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oh thats a reliefPettytyrant101 wrote:You cant taste the baccy for the buckie Figgs.
but srsly give up the fags, its a fools game, why give the Government your money?
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You surprise me Petty! I'd have thought the the crabbit in you would hang on till the last breath, growling "I'll go when I'm damn well ready, and not a minute before!"
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maybe he intends to imbalm himself like Tutankhamun while he's still alive
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Yep. I'll second that.Mrs Figg wrote:snogging smokers is gross too
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I'd have thought the the crabbit in you would hang on till the last breath, growling "I'll go when I'm damn well ready, and not a minute before!"- David
Nah my crabbit makes me say "I'll go when I damn well choose!"
Nah my crabbit makes me say "I'll go when I damn well choose!"
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maybe if I nag you long enough you will give up just to shut me up. this nagging lark is tried and tested.
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Well that is one of the main functions of a wife Figg, even an eel wrangling internet one!
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An interesting thought. In the shamanistic practices of both Japan and the Northwest coast of America there's a tradition of holy men fasting on only pine nuts and resin. Over a course of a year or so, their body fluids slowly turn to tar, and they are preserved in a permanent "trance". Pretty cool, huh?Mrs Figg wrote:maybe he intends to imbalm himself like Tutankhamun while he's still alive
By the way, I think that your comment about Tibetan Buddhism is right on the mark It's really more shamanism with the trappings of Buddhism, in the same way as paganism lives in the Catholic church, particularly in remote areas where the old ways die hard.
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I missed this. A good story! I wonder who the mathematician was?halfwise wrote:I don't know which famous mathematician it was, but he had heard that a student had left mathematics in order to pursue writing novels. His comment was "it's just as well, he didn't have the imagination to be a mathematician."David H wrote: As a one-time mathematician I can tell you the language of mathematics isn't about making sense. It's about making rigor. The idea needs to come first. The formulas are just the hammer and tongs with which you forge the language to capture the idea.
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Ive seen those mummies of the resined priests. Very dedicated!
There is shamanism under varies names all over the globe.
It was probably the closest we've really had to a truly global belief system at one point.
There is shamanism under varies names all over the globe.
It was probably the closest we've really had to a truly global belief system at one point.
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