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Post by leelee Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:00 am

Ya we still have laws on the books about what time you can hitch your horse and enter public places with them. And they don't bother to change then so every year you have horses entering banks during Stampede week. It is annoying.
Bur our country is very strange  On the one hand we are very polite and line up for hours to see the Queen or other royal, and we ignore Prince Harry wooping it up really loud at the bars, and we tell our reps what we don't want said in parliament and then they go ahead and enact the laws while we are sleeping and we are totally freaked out in the morning and they ignore or placate us with nonsense. Then some law goes through at another time like the hst and we petition and become bullies and throw the hst and the premier out undemocratically before any election. We are so unpredictable. It is hard to bear sometimes and we look at the U.S and wish we were not so wimpy. No


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Post by bungobaggins Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:55 pm

http://www.local15tv.com/shared/news/features/top-stories/stories/wpmi_school-has-child-sign-safety-contract-15106.shtml#.VDmoo-IpBQL

MOBILE, Ala. (WPMI) A Mobile mother is not happy about a controversial Mobile County School contract her daughter signed without her consent. The contract promises that her daughter will not kill or injure herself and others.

Rebecca is angry.

"This isn't right. She's 5-years-old," said Rebecca.

Rebecca did not want Local 15 News to use her last name. She said E R Dickson school officials crossed the line when they had her daughter sign a Mobile County Public Safety Contract without her being present.

Rebecca said, "Most of these words on here, she's never heard in her life."

School officials told Rebecca they had to send Elizabeth home after an incident in class.

"They told me she drew something that resembled a gun," said Rebecca. "According to them she pointed a crayon at another student and said, 'pew pew,'' said Rebecca.

She said her child was given a questionnaire to evaluate her for suicidal thoughts.

"[They] Asked her if she was depressed now," said Rebecca.

Without her permission, Rebecca said her child was given the Mobile County Public School Safety Contract to sign stating she wouldn't kill herself or others.

"While I was in the lobby waiting they had my 5-year-old sign a contract about suicide and homicide," said Rebecca.

According to state law, minors cannot legally sign a contract.

"There should be a different way to handle this situation. If this is protocol it needs to be looked at again," said Rebecca.

Local 15 News contacted school officials to see what the proper protocol is when handling "violent-like" behavior. Local 15 News has not heard back.

"My child interrupted us and said, 'What is suicide mommy? Daddy what is suicide?" said Rebecca. "As a parent that's not right. I'm the one should be able to talk to my child and not have someone else mention words like this in front of her at all."

Rebecca is pushing to have the incident removed from her child's record. She said school officials have requested Elizabeth see a psychiatrist.

She believes that is unnecessary.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:20 pm

I find it hard to believe there isnt more to this. Surely a teacher would not react this way to a child just drawing a gun and making pew pew shooting noises? I used to draw warships being blown up by planes on my primary school jotters.

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Post by Bluebottle Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:38 pm

So the only breach of any regulation here was forcing a five year old girl to sign a contract, which her lack of legal capacity rendered meaningless anywway..

Yes.. very well handled.. Rolling Eyes

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Post by halfwise Mon Oct 13, 2014 2:51 pm

I think the reactions to this are a result of over hyping the unfamiliar. Yes, the hospital totally made a mistake, but he is contained now and all his contacts are either contained or under scrutiny. The current version of the disease is only infections during the symptoms phase, so it looks like it's under control.

In contrast the problem with Sierra Leone (I've recently talked to an expat who gets constant updates) is that their containment facilities provide no chance to survive the disease - inadequate sanitation, no IV hydration, etc. And exposed people are not separated from those showing symptoms. So people are afraid to let authorities know they have even had contact with ebola victims, lest they be sent to containment with actual ebola victims: basically a death sentence.

There has to be massive foreign intervention to set up containment facilities people are not afraid to go to in West Africa. This is a big order, but it would stop the spread within a month.
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The circle of people who have come into contact with Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan is rapidly expanding, jumping from 18 to 80 early today and then leaping to 100, according to Texas health officials.

"Out of an abundance of caution, we're starting with this very wide net, including people who have had even brief encounters with the patient or the patient's home," Texas Department of State Health Services spokesperson Carrie Wilson said in a statement. "The number will drop as we focus in on those whose contact may represent a potential risk of infection."

Duncan, a Liberian man who is the first person diagnosed with Ebola in the United States, is being treated in an isolation unit at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas after being brought to the hospital by ambulance earlier this week.

Medical authorities initially said that they were interviewing and monitoring 12 to 18 people, including five children, who had been in contact with Duncan since he arrived Sept. 19. But today that number jumped dramatically, though officials expect tracing protocols to eliminate many.

Thompson said four or five members of Duncan's family are under a "control order" to stay inside their homes.

It's not clear if these four or five people under the control order are the five school age children who were told to stay home from school.

Dr. David Lakey, Texas health commissioner, talked addressed the control order.

"We have tried and true protocols to protect the public and stop the spread of this disease," Lakey said in the statement. "This order gives us the ability to monitor the situation in the most meticulous way."

Authorities say the family members do not currently have symptoms of Ebola, which include fever above 100.5 degrees, headache, nausea, diarrhea or abdominal pain. The order will continue until at least Oct. 19.

Thompson said he was aware of news reports that Duncan had been vomiting before being admitted to the hospital, but said he was not concerned about the vomiting.

Duncan flew from Liberia to Brussels on Sept. 19. He continued to Washington’s Dulles Airport, before flying to the Dallas-Fort Worth Airport on a United Airlines flight.

Authorities with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have said airline passengers and flight crew members aren’t at risk for Ebola because Duncan wasn’t exhibiting symptoms until days later, but his diagnosis has left residents in Dallas on edge, with scrutiny for Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, which allowed the man to leave after he told a nurse he had come from West Africa.

Duncan returned to the hospital by ambulance two days later. He remains in an isolation unit, listed in serious condition.

Mark Lester, the executive vice president of Texas Health Resources, said a communication issue was responsible for the lapse.

“Regretfully, that information was not fully communicated throughout the full team,” Lester said.

Five children who members of Duncan's family have also been told to stay home

Authorities also scrubbed down area schools , trying to contain the disease’s spread.

Duncan spoke on the phone Wednesday with family members who live near Charlotte, N.C.

“We talked today (with Duncan) and we prayed together with his mother and sister here,” said Joe Weeks, who lives with Duncan's sister Mai.

Weeks said that the family is concerned that Duncan was admitted to the hospital and put in isolation on Sunday, but hasn't received the experimental Ebola drugs.

“I don’t understand why he is not getting the Zmapp,” Weeks said.

The manufacturer of the drug has said they have run out of the experimental medicine.

Duncan's former boss in Monrovia, Liberia, said the patient had been his driver for the last year or two until he abruptly left his job in early September.

"I really don’t know," why he left, Henry Brunson, general manager of Safeway Cargo, told ABC News. "He didn’t resign. He just left the office. He just walked away.”

Brunson didn't know where Duncan went until he saw him on the news as the Ebola patient in Dallas, Texas.

Duncan's identity emerged as Texas health officials outlined efforts to track and monitor the people Duncan was in contact with since becoming sick over the weekend.

Dr. Tom Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease and Control and Prevention, said Wednesday there is a seven-person team in Dallas working with the local health department and the hospital to identify people who came into contact with Duncan.

Three ambulance crew members who brought Duncan to the hospital were also tested for Ebola. The tests were negative, but the crew members were sent home and will be monitored for the next three weeks, the city said in a statement.

Frieden has said he believes the disease will be “stopped in its tracks” in this country.

Although American Ebola patients have been treated in the United States prior to this diagnosis, they all contracted Ebola in West Africa. Ebola has killed more than 3,300 people, with nearly 7,200 cases reported since the outbreak began in March.

Okay so this guy goes to Libera, comes in contact with a pregnant woman who has the disease and drives her to the hospital. He then thinks is a good idea to come back to the USA?!?! Then he experiences symptoms and goes to the hospital who then sends him home?!?! And now the number of people he has come in contact with is expanding.

I remember the other day people on the internet were saying, "Oh, this is America with the best health system in the world; we've got it under control. Let's not worry, let's go on Twitter and replace words in movie titles with Ebola! LOL because getting attention on social media is what's really important in life!" Well they obviously don't have it under any sort of fucking control if they let the guy leave after he told them he had been to West Africa and he was experiencing symptoms! This man was incredibly selfish and these hospital employees are daft as fuck!

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Post by Eldorion Thu Oct 16, 2014 7:16 pm

What's so wacko about that?  Are you some sort of crypto-islamocommunazi sympathizer, bungo? Suspect
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:19 pm

That guy would mot be likely be arrested here for inciting racism.

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Post by bungobaggins Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:22 pm

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Post by Eldorion Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:47 pm

Well clearly the racism has already started, but being racist isn't a crime in the US, so he'd have to be expressly calling for violence to be prosecuted.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:12 pm

You can be a racist here, you just cant espouse it that would be a hate crime. And isn't discrimination illegal in the US?

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Post by halfwise Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:29 pm

Discrimination is only illegal if used to deny goods and services to people. You can call'em all the names you want, but you still gotta sell them that root beer.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:47 pm

Name calling of a racist type, or anti-gay or whatever would fall foul here of the same laws covering bullying and harassment. You have the right to your own opinion, but not to offend or intimidate others with them.

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Post by Eldorion Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:51 pm

And laws against offending people is why the UK has absurdities like prosecuting people for mean spirited Twitter statuses.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:53 pm

yeah its a balancing act- but thats what courts are for, deciding if something is just a mean spirited remark or intimidation and harassment.

So calling someone a name on twitter probably wont get you done- threatening to rape and kill them will.

Given Americas terrible record on race perhaps its worth giving a go over there. People might think twice about their attitudes if it might end up in court and their name made public as a  racist.

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Post by Bluebottle Fri Oct 17, 2014 12:42 am

I always find it funny how a lot of Americans seem to think socialist some kind of insult. Razz

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:52 am

There is a 'FOX news' mindset that seems to see no difference between socialism and communism.
And any form of socialism- free health care for all at the point of use, any nationalised industry, tax payer funded safety nets for the very poor- all get lumped in as the start of a slippery slope into communism and the eroding of an Americans rights to live the American Dream, verbally hate his black/hispanic/latino/female neighbour and to walk about with an assault rifle!

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Post by David H Fri Oct 17, 2014 1:31 pm

Both socialism and communism where respectable political movements in America up until World War II. We got anti-trust laws, Social Security, Medicare, minimum wages, and much more.

Then Socialism got equated with Hitler, Communism got equated with Stalin, and Big Industry became the savior rather than the threat.

Funny how that worked! Rolling Eyes

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Post by Bluebottle Fri Oct 17, 2014 3:22 pm

Yeah, I remember Oliver Stone focusing quite strongly on the impact of Truman and not Wallace succeding Roosevelt after the second World War in that Untold History of the United States thing. Particularily on the relations with the Soviet Union. And it probably, as such, played a role in this historical development too I would guess?

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Post by Eldorion Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:32 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:yeah its a balancing act- but thats what courts are for, deciding if something is just a mean spirited remark or intimidation and harassment.

So calling someone a name on twitter probably wont get you done- threatening to rape and kill them will.

Given Americas terrible record on race perhaps its worth giving a go over there. People might think twice about their attitudes if it might end up in court and their name made public as a  racist.

So what part of the offensive bumper sticker up there is intimidation or harassment as opposed to name calling (though more through the visual language of racism than verbal slurs)?
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Fri Oct 17, 2014 4:48 pm

Well if I was a racial minority and I saw someone coming along with that on their jeep, especially if I had already suffered racism and intimidation, I would find just the display enough to be intimidating and harassment.

What right does that person have to make another human being feel less, or of lesser vale as a person because of heir skin colour? Its very presence is intimidatory and harrasment. And such views and offensive displays should be openly challenged by wider society through the law. People dont change because you tell them its not nice. But they might change their behaviour, if not their views, if it costs them money or reputation.

No person should have to put up with blatant offense or slurs directed at them when they are just going about their everyday lives. I think its unacceptable behavior. At least as unacceptable as many other behaviours for which laws exists.

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Post by Eldorion Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:03 pm

So define the difference between acceptable "name calling" and illegal "slurs". I imagine that saying "cunt" or "bitch" in public would be illegal since those are gendered. And saying "what a gyp" furthers stereotypes of Roma people. Maybe "sucker" is far enough removed from its status as an anti-gay slur in the dark days of the 1980s, but that's easily within living memory, so who gets to make that call?

I try to avoid most words like these, but I don't want to lock people up who do say them.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:17 pm

Well the normal process if its witnessed would be someone makes a complaint to the police, or if not witnessed the person who feels threatened or intimidated would. Then police speak to all concerned and they will make the initial call on whether within the law they feel there is a case to answer.
If they do then they file a report to the Prosecutor Fiscal, who makes the decision on whether they think the chances of a successful prosecution are good or bad. If bad they will not proceed further and the case is dropped. If good then it would proceed to court.
It would need to be quite severe to warrant jail time.
In the above case the most likely result would be the case would proceed if a complaint was made, there is clear evidence of the racist display, they would be ordered to remove the display and not have it again and a fine and/or community service would most likely be the punishment element.

It might be a blunt instrument but the law can be used to very effectively alter behaviour.
For example when I was growing up there was no legal requirement for people to wear a seatbelt in a car, and the vast majority of cars of the time had no rear seatbelts as standard.
Then it became a legal requirement not to wear a seatbelt. I dont know anyone now who doesn't wear a seatbelt in a car. As a result deaths in car accidents has dramatically fallen since the 70's.
But before it came along there were many attempts through campaigns and advertising to persuade people of the merits of wearing them. But it was not until it became law that behaviour actually changed significantly.

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Post by halfwise Fri Oct 17, 2014 5:43 pm

Eldorion wrote:So define the difference between acceptable "name calling" and illegal "slurs". I imagine that saying "cunt" or "bitch" in public would be illegal since those are gendered. And saying "what a gyp" furthers stereotypes of Roma people. Maybe "sucker" is far enough removed from its status as an anti-gay slur in the dark days of the 1980s, but that's easily within living memory, so who gets to make that call?

I try to avoid most words like these, but I don't want to lock people up who do say them.

Have to be with Eldo on this one. Unless there is some action or a public untruth is uttered that can be considered libel, making name calling illegal borders on unleashing the thought police. Public pressure usually does the job as well or better than the law.

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