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Post by Pettytyrant101 Thu May 04, 2017 1:40 pm

'If I recall correctly you did and it worked'- Ringo

{{ I did indeed- and thanks, I thought it worked pretty well too- better than I even suspected it might when I began.

But it is an interesting thought experiment- would folk have accepted four film, with TT split in two following two different story lines-it would be unique and brave thats for sure- but actually I think folk would go for it- the Aragorn story, which they would get first is exciting, action packed and full of new places and characters. The ext film would be insular, somewhat claustrophobic, solely focused don three characters as a a charterer piece- but again new places, new monsters and one hell of a ciffhanger climax- so again I think whilst audiences might resent the initial idea they would in fact have enjoyed the result.
And the Frodo/Sam line in particular could have got the attention it deserves if it were its own thing rather than the messed up, badly thought through version of events we do get.}}

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Post by Forest Shepherd Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:32 am

I feel certain that this has come up before. But, if not, I've been reading through and enjoying these blogposts quite a lot:
https://acoup.blog/2020/05/01/collections-the-battle-of-helms-deep-part-i-bargaining-for-goods-at-helms-gate/

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Post by halfwise Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:35 pm

Wow, thanks Forest! He had me from the title on ("a collection of unmitigated pedantry"), and there's hours of good reading in there. I don't think it has come up before. This guy knows his stuff.

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Post by Forest Shepherd Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:23 pm

He has a good one on the siege of Minas Tirith as well.

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Post by halfwise Tue Apr 19, 2022 1:48 pm

A lot of information about the swap of Viggo for Stuart Townsend that I have never seen before - kept under wraps.


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Post by Forest Shepherd Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:09 am

They should have just replaced Frodo in Jackson's films with the shire-fox*. Frodo could have fallen off a nearby cliff while he was having a wee, and then when the hobbits wake up they find the fox in Frodo's place. He'd probably do just as good a job as Frodo did. I mean, Sam could hide him under his cloak, and one hobbit is harder to see than two. Without Frodo around, movie!Gollum wouldn't be able to over-power Sam and get him kicked out. The fox would wake up and see that the lembas was gone and that Sam was covered in crumbs, and would just bite off three of Gollum's toes and eat those.

(He wouldn't complain about the lack of lembas and wouldn't tell Sam to go home for being a fatty, as the fox actually prefers toes.)

*This has given me an excellent idea for an internet browser...

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Post by Forest Shepherd Wed Aug 03, 2022 5:34 am

Huh, Gandalf the Grey is meant to have white hair and eyebrows and a silver beard. He is the "oldest" of the wizards, after all. So it makes little sense that he should be grey and Saruman white.

Not that I'm complaining necessarily. Gandalf in his grey hair Jackson version is lovely.

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Post by Forest Shepherd Wed Aug 03, 2022 6:25 am

I had this idea that Jackson and Co. intentionally simplified the prologue of FotR, but in The Council of Elrond chapter Elrond clearly says that the last battle was fought on the slopes of Orodruin, and it was there that Gil-galad and Elendil fell.
There is no mention of the siege of Barad-dur.
So as an adaptation of LotR, Jackson and Co. were accurate, largely

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Post by halfwise Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:52 am

Jackson got an awfully lot right, which makes the occasional major fails something of a conundrum.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Fri Aug 05, 2022 2:21 pm

{ In my view where PJ got stuff right he was being constrained, either by his writing team, the hired Tolien experts, or by technology. Had PJ had his way we'd have had cgi Black Riders and orcs, thankfully the tech wasn't there for all that. The Hobbit films are in my view a much truer representation of PJ's own tastes and likes and love of over the top spectacle. As the LotR's films go on he adds more and more of it, and the drama and spectacle itself becomes ever more contrived and simplified too - Frodo sending Sam away, Denethor being a pantomine villain, Legolas taking down a Mumakil- these are the real PJ in my view. }}

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Post by Mrs Figg Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:01 pm

To do him justice he did rein it in a bit in LoTRs.
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Post by halfwise Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:38 pm

They did say outright that they kept trying to stray from the story, but as they worked through all the ramifications they'd usually find just following the book worked out better. The Nobbit was a rush job, so they didn't have time to discover how much better it was to just follow the damn book.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:10 pm

{{ Dont see why you need time for that Halfy. Took me about 0.02 seconds to know they should follow the damn book. }}

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Post by halfwise Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:17 pm

First of all I'm not trying to defend them, but they saw themselves as "adapting" a book for the screen.  There's all sorts of shit-headed rules for doing this, and they just assumed they had to do them.  Most of us would have taken the approach of "how do I make this screen version as close to the book as possible?"  Their orientation was "how do I make this book as friendly for the screen as possible?"

So if you start off in the wrong direction it takes time to find your way back to the proper path.


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Post by Forest Shepherd Fri Aug 05, 2022 10:33 pm

True, true.

But filming the book as-is only really works if you do it as a series. Smile
(Which someone should do.)

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Post by Mrs Figg Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:50 pm

They destroyed the fairy tale atmosphere of the Hobbit book. That's what irks me the most. It ended up a charmless blockbuster.
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Post by halfwise Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:36 pm

agreed. They could have saved themselves a lot of money and trouble if they just stuck with the book. The long expected party largely captured the feeling, but after that they wandered and lost the ball.

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Post by Forest Shepherd Sat Aug 06, 2022 2:56 pm

I wish they had the balls to have carriages taking away the well-to-do hobbits after the party.

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Post by Forest Shepherd Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:59 am

The oldest of the four actors plays the part of the youngest Hobbit. Razz

Hm, unless Samwise is younger than Peregrin.

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