Tolkien in General

A grandson of JRR Tolkien and a descendant of Charles Dickens are to collaborate on two new fantasy books for children.
Poet Michael Tolkien, the eldest grandson of the The Hobbit author, will write two novels based on stories his grandfather read to him as a child.
Gerald Dickens, the great-great grandson of Charles, will narrate the audiobook versions.
It tells the story of two children who set out to use an evil enchanter's wishing chain of stones to save their alpine valley, only to fall into trouble.
Michael Tolkien was introduced to the tales in the 1940s and 1950s as a child, and he later read them to his own children.
He said he decided to pay tribute to the now-neglected tale and to "recreate the spirit of the original in new dress".- BBC news

I was reading up on Tolkien on Wikipedia, and I came across this quote of his when someone asked for the rights to make a film script, his response:

"I would ask them to make an effort of imagination sufficient to understand the irritation (and on occasion the resentment) of an author, who finds, increasingly as he proceeds, his work treated as it would seem carelessly in general, in places recklessly, and with no evident signs of any appreciation of what it is all about"

Oh PJ, would you get an earful if he was still alive!

Yep ... and with him gone, his Faithful MUST continue to fight against The New Shadow (PJ), however hopeless the task may seem.

Some old footage from the BCC.

What happens after death.

http://notionclubpapers.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/what-happens-after-death-insights-from.html

Everyone knows that Tolkien was a devout Catholic but when one tries to shoehorn Tolkien's invented world into strict Catholic dogma one ends up making embarassing mistakes like this:

So death became (by Christ) a Gift to Men - so long as there is faith and hope; while elves could (perhaps) only look forward to 'more of the same' and to be destroyed when the world ended.

Or elves might hope to join Men beyond of the world in Heaven, but (presumably, since they will not have been resurrected) as un-perfected and lower beings than the Sons of God...?

PROTIP: The Elves are also considered to be Children of Iluvatar -- in fact they are His elder children. {{{Sorry if this comes across as harsh, but people who try to use Tolkien as a tool for evangelizing have long been a pet peeve of mine. }}}

I call upon St. Dogbert.

Almost....


There!

Good ole Dogbert!

By a strange coincidence the next bit Im currently writing in my gospels discourse is all about titles like Son of Man and Son of God and what they originally meant- and its not anything like what is being implied here- I do wish religous folks would at least do a bit of research into what these things actually meant rather than assuming they already know.

chris63 wrote:What happens after death.

http://notionclubpapers.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/what-happens-after-death-insights-from.html

Glad someone sorted that old one out. Been worrying about it for yonks.

Christian world of the Hobbit

http://www.tolkienlibrary.com/press/1037_Interview_Devin_Brown_Christian_World_Hobbit.php

That seems like a slightly more balanced look at the subject than most are. Could well be worth a read.

http://sacnoths.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/tolkien-and-cabell.html

Blimey I looke dit up on Amazon and they are wanting £30 for their book! £30 for a book of opinions. They must be kidding! (I think my sporran is safe)

Wow! What a deal!

http://www.amazon.co.uk/J-R-R-Tolkiens-Double-Creative-Process/dp/023062314X/ref=pd_sim_b_3

So if I buy five copies of this book for £260 I cansell them (obvious market here guys ) all for £270! I'm gunna be rich!!!!

What has happened to the price of books!!!
That actually sounds an interesting read-but at that price!

It does look interesting. May clarify whether Tolkien was a horse lover!
Amazon here shows a used copy for $35.40 which I think is about £25.
I've had books shipped from England and Australia because they're $100 cheaper or more, and the extra shipping is only $10!
(of course I'd try the library first...)

I find it a little funny that my younger sister's Christian private school banned the Hobbit on campus grounds because it contained "Sorcery"

Recoveryanonymous wrote:I find it a little funny that my younger sister's Christian private school banned the Hobbit on campus grounds because it contained "Sorcery"

These are the sorts of things where parent's need to make their opinions known to the school board. If the majority of parents feel this is stupid, it can be changed. Money talks. But if the majority of parents support the ban, it makes you wonder if it's the right school anyway.

thats one creepy school. and it doesnt contain that much sorcery, unless you include Gandalfs fireworks.

Recoveryanonymous wrote:I find it a little funny that my younger sister's Christian private school banned the Hobbit on campus grounds because it contained "Sorcery"

Yeah it's a really conservative school and the decision was a little contraversial to say the least. I'm just glad I never when there as a kid

David H wrote:It does look interesting. May clarify whether Tolkien was a horse lover!

Is this your way of asking for another post about grey in horse terminology? I found another opinion from a Rohir at another site, and I might post it here someday...

... although I'm still working on the 'paste' part of 'copy and paste' however. The paste I'm using washes off the computer screen easily enough, but I'm beginning to think this isn't the proper way to do it in any case.

Elthir wrote:

David H wrote:It does look interesting. May clarify whether Tolkien was a horse lover!

Is this your way of asking for another post about grey in horse terminology? I found another opinion from a Rohir at another site, and I might post it here someday...

... although I'm still working on the 'paste' part of 'copy and paste' however. The paste I'm using washes off the computer screen easily enough, but I'm beginning to think this isn't the proper way to do it in any case.

Sure, I'd love to hear more opinions

I'm not sure I can help with the copy/paste. I've always assumed it referred to "paste" as in fake glass gemstones, both Copy and Paste implying inferior value to the original. I'm not sure how this would devalue an opinion however....

this thread is going Dickensian underworld, and I like it.