Tolkien in General

she says Dune like... doon, i say it like...dewn accents eh ?

I dont like hypothesize about why Tolkien disliked Dune, Id rather keep to what I know. When you start to hypothesize you are guessing things about a person and that leads you away from that person. You might end up in a grey area and that doesnt sit comfortably with me. What I dont know about Tolkien Id rather just keep to what Ive found out, ( as long as its true )

azriel wrote:she says Dune like... doon, i say it like...dewn  accents eh ?

I'd have to hear it to know what you are talking about. I'd pronounce both of those the same way!

Bah, who cares if Tolkien disliked Dune. It's certainly not a contest between it and LotR!

I'd have to hear it to know what you are talking about. I'd pronounce both of those the same way!- Halfy

{{ I read Azriel's post as - Dune pronounced as in Moon but with a d. And Dew (as in 'morning dew')-ne for the second one.
I say the second one, as the first one would be confusing in Scots as its same sound and spelling as Scots for down, doon, as in "oh shite! Ma buckie hus takun a heider doon the brae an hud the arse smashed oot o' it, an aw ma buckie is pishin' awa'!". ("Oh shit! My bottle of buckfast wine has taken a tumble down the hill and the bottom of the bottle has broken, and all its contents are pouring away."}}

Sorry, in America both are pronounced the same way. D(m)oon and Dew-n are one and the same to our ears.

{{ OK then the second one to your ears would not sound like Dew-ne rather Jew-ne }}

All the same sound. Dew-ne rhymes exactly with Jew-ne and June and moon.

Linguists may hear some regional variation in the words, but if you told any of the general riff-raff that they were pronounced differently you'd get a blank stare. Even if we say it differently we can't hear it.

It's sort of the inverse of telling Brits they pronounce "pass" and "parse" the same way. You lot are convinced you are sticking an "r" in the second one, but you ain't. It's pure head fake.

{{ Americans! Not only have you killed your palette off, food and alcohol, apparently you're also tone deaf!
And of course parse has an r in it it rhymes with arse, whereas pass rhymes with ass. Totally different sounds!
And how can Doon sound like Jew-ne?! There isn't a 'j' sound in doon, its d as in do!! Its madness. }}

Doon rhymes with Jewne.

I'd like to here a recording of a Brit saying Ass and Arse. My guess is they are the same. Americans say them different, not the Brits.

{{ Certainly in west of Scotland they are totally different sounding, we wouldn't use ass for arse anyway so the only time it's likely to be heard is in reference to a donkey. But if you mean arse you use arse with a notable, long rolled Scots r in it, 'arrrse' which ass, not having an r in it, simply has no hint of at all.

edit add 'arse' incoming at 1.13, v strong language throughout however you watch the whole clip-

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Oooo, I love it started something here Im with Petty on Dewn or Doon, we say dewn, Ass and Arse are different. We sometimes say "my arse" if we dont believe something, Ass is a donkey like creature. Its like vase ( vayze) or vase ( varse ) I say it with a R included but, Northerners often say Wuz while I say woz, ( was and, was )
reading this down its like a tongue twister in a way, which reminds me of the fabulous Danny Kaye and his great rendition of....

Danny Kaye: The pellet with the poison is in the vessel with the pestle, the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true, right?
Mildred Natwick: Right, but there's been a change. They ... broke the chalice from the palace.
Danny Kaye: They ... broke the chalice from the palace?
Mildred Natwick: ... and replaced it with a flagon.
Danny Kaye: A flagon?
Mildred Natwick: ... with a figure of a dragon.
Danny Kaye: A flagon with a dragon.
Mildred Natwick: RIGHT.
Danny Kaye: But, did you put the pellet with the poison in the vessel with the pestle?
Mildred Natwick: Noooo, the pellet with the poison is in the flagon with the dragon, the vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true.
Danny Kaye: The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon, the vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true.
Mildred Natwick: Just remember that.

The fun they must have had rehearsing that ! It must have been laughs all the way

He only said one, and I don't know whether it was ass or arse, because with you Brits we can't tell if you're saying an R or dreaming you said it, and half the time you say it when you shouldn't be! "I have an idear".

This is the only thing I've seen that gets to the heart of why Tolkien did not like democracy.