Saruman knows about Frodo?
+9
Eldorion
Ringdrotten
Tinuviel
Pettytyrant101
Bluebottle
halfwise
Amarië
Norc
richardbrucebaxter
13 posters
Page 2 of 2
Page 2 of 2 • 1, 2
Re: Saruman knows about Frodo?
I dont remember that line!
![scratch](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_scratch.png)
_________________
Pure Publications, The Tower of Lore and the Former Admin's Office are Reasonably Proud to Present-
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
the crabbit will suffer neither sleight of hand nor half-truths. - Forest
Pettytyrant101- Crabbitmeister
- Posts : 46773
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 52
Location : Scotshobbitland
Re: Saruman knows about Frodo?
Reread the chapter ![Very Happy](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_biggrin.png)
![Very Happy](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_biggrin.png)
_________________
“The Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want for nothing. He makes me lie down in the green pastures. He greases up my head with oil. He gives me kung-fu in the face of my enemies. Amen”. - Tom Cullen
![Saruman knows about Frodo? - Page 2 Man-in-black](https://thelissachronicles.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/man-in-black.jpg?w=484&h=332)
Ringdrotten- Mrs Bear Grylls
- Posts : 4607
Join date : 2011-02-13
Re: Saruman knows about Frodo?
Did CS Lewis write that bit?
![Very Happy](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_biggrin.png)
_________________
Pure Publications, The Tower of Lore and the Former Admin's Office are Reasonably Proud to Present-
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
the crabbit will suffer neither sleight of hand nor half-truths. - Forest
Pettytyrant101- Crabbitmeister
- Posts : 46773
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 52
Location : Scotshobbitland
Re: Saruman knows about Frodo?
Sounds about right.
_________________
"No one knows what the new day shall bring him" -Aragorn T.A. 3019 March 4th
Save Merp for 2013!
25,000 and counting. 12-23-12
"From him they learnt many things it were not good for any but the great Valar to know, for being half-comprehended such deep hidden things slay happiness; and besides many of the sayings of Melko were cunning lies or were but partly true, and the Noldoli ceased to sing, and their viols fell silent upon the hill of Kôr, for their hearts grew somewhat older as their lore grew deeper and their desires more swollen, and the books of their wisdom were multiplied as the leaves of the forest."
Remember Merp - July 11th, 2013
RA- Defender of the faith and Dunedain of the thread
- Posts : 1776
Join date : 2012-02-12
Location : Buckland
Re: Saruman knows about Frodo?
(continued) "... The path that you have set him on can only lead to death."
richardbrucebaxter- Clue-finder
- Posts : 100
Join date : 2013-01-11
Re: Saruman knows about Frodo?
Pettytyrant101 wrote:I dont remember that line!![]()
I think it's from Peter Jacksons Middle Earth Christmas Experience ... on ice.
![Laughing](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_lol.gif)
_________________
“We're doomed,” he says, casually. “There's no question about that. But it's OK to be doomed because then you can just enjoy your life."
![Saruman knows about Frodo? - Page 2 Tumblr_msgi12FPjq1s8au6qo2_500](https://33.media.tumblr.com/de58a4b1ea8094e414d274be9532e12d/tumblr_msgi12FPjq1s8au6qo2_500.gif)
Bluebottle- Concerned citizen
- Posts : 10099
Join date : 2013-11-09
Age : 37
Re: Saruman knows about Frodo?
That day probably will come.
![Evil or Very Mad](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_evil.gif)
_________________
Pure Publications, The Tower of Lore and the Former Admin's Office are Reasonably Proud to Present-
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
the crabbit will suffer neither sleight of hand nor half-truths. - Forest
Pettytyrant101- Crabbitmeister
- Posts : 46773
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 52
Location : Scotshobbitland
Re: Saruman knows about Frodo?
richardbrucebaxter wrote:(continued) "... The path that you have set him on can only lead to death."
Sounds like Saruman did have pretty complete knowledge - and given petty's note that gandalf told him about the ring I guess I have to accept it. But I sure to wish Saruman would stop talking about death. I don't think he ever even used the word in the books.
_________________
Halfwise, son of Halfwit. Brother of Nitwit, son of Halfwit. Half brother of Figwit.
Then it gets complicated...
halfwise- Quintessence of Burrahobbitry
- Posts : 20474
Join date : 2012-02-01
Location : rustic broom closet in farthing of Manhattan
Re: Saruman knows about Frodo?
It doesn't make sense..
richardbrucebaxter- Clue-finder
- Posts : 100
Join date : 2013-01-11
Re: Saruman knows about Frodo?
Yule be sorry...Bluebottle wrote:Pettytyrant101 wrote:I dont remember that line!![]()
I think it's from Peter Jacksons Middle Earth Christmas Experience ... on ice.![]()
![Sofa](/users/1813/32/54/71/smiles/1067764964.gif)
_________________
The wolf one hears is worse than the orc one fears.
http://helob.deviantart.com/gallery/
https://stopthesecrecy.net/
![Saruman knows about Frodo? - Page 2 WiuVcmi](https://i.imgur.com/wiuVcmi.png)
Radaghast- Barrel-rider
- Posts : 1748
Join date : 2013-06-12
Location : The place where that thing is.
Re: Saruman knows about Frodo?
If Saruman was expecting a covert mission to destroy the ring at Mt Doom would he not have posted a permanent guard at the secret stairs? He had troops in this region already. And it would imply Gandalf's understanding of the enemy's knowledge was incorrect - unless Saruman somehow derived the plan during the attack at Helm's Deep.
richardbrucebaxter- Clue-finder
- Posts : 100
Join date : 2013-01-11
Re: Saruman knows about Frodo?
Just one of many ill thought out changes the scriptwriters made.
_________________
Halfwise, son of Halfwit. Brother of Nitwit, son of Halfwit. Half brother of Figwit.
Then it gets complicated...
halfwise- Quintessence of Burrahobbitry
- Posts : 20474
Join date : 2012-02-01
Location : rustic broom closet in farthing of Manhattan
Re: Saruman knows about Frodo?
Hey, that's how you win Oscars.
![Laughing](https://2img.net/i/fa/i/smiles/icon_lol.gif)
_________________
“We're doomed,” he says, casually. “There's no question about that. But it's OK to be doomed because then you can just enjoy your life."
![Saruman knows about Frodo? - Page 2 Tumblr_msgi12FPjq1s8au6qo2_500](https://33.media.tumblr.com/de58a4b1ea8094e414d274be9532e12d/tumblr_msgi12FPjq1s8au6qo2_500.gif)
Bluebottle- Concerned citizen
- Posts : 10099
Join date : 2013-11-09
Age : 37
Re: Saruman knows about Frodo?
And no Uruk-hai posted at Mt Doom..
I suspect the best explanation might involve Saruman reading minds at short distances. Perhaps it has something to do with the change; "Do not let him speak, or put a spell upon us!” -> "Do not let him speak. He will put a spell on us!"?
I suspect the best explanation might involve Saruman reading minds at short distances. Perhaps it has something to do with the change; "Do not let him speak, or put a spell upon us!” -> "Do not let him speak. He will put a spell on us!"?
richardbrucebaxter- Clue-finder
- Posts : 100
Join date : 2013-01-11
Re: Saruman knows about Frodo?
I'm not sure how Saruman was supposed to station troops in Mordor. I don't think he would have alerted Sauron unless it was too late for him to do anything (ie, the Ringbearer had entered Mordor and was beyond the reach of Saruman's forces), but by that point Saruman had been defeated and was out of Sauron's good graces anyway.
In the movies, it might have made more sense for Saruman to tell Sauron since he seemed more of a servant, but in the book at least he had pretensions of being Sauron's equal and wanted the Ring for himself.
In the movies, it might have made more sense for Saruman to tell Sauron since he seemed more of a servant, but in the book at least he had pretensions of being Sauron's equal and wanted the Ring for himself.
Re: Saruman knows about Frodo?
I cant remember exactly where Gandalf says it but somewhere he said of Saruman that he "studied the arts of the enemy too closely.' and that was part of what led to his downfall.
I always got the impression Sarumans plan A was not to seize the Ring, I think that was plan B when Plan A failed, which was to make his own Ring of Power and it was trying to gain the knowledge of how to do that (which may have started as a genuine desire to understand better the weapon of the Enemy in order to defeat him) which first corrupted him.
I always got the impression Sarumans plan A was not to seize the Ring, I think that was plan B when Plan A failed, which was to make his own Ring of Power and it was trying to gain the knowledge of how to do that (which may have started as a genuine desire to understand better the weapon of the Enemy in order to defeat him) which first corrupted him.
_________________
Pure Publications, The Tower of Lore and the Former Admin's Office are Reasonably Proud to Present-
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
A Green And Pleasant Land
Compiled and annotated by Eldy.
- get your copy here for a limited period- free*
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yjYiz8nuL3LqJ-yP9crpDKu_BH-1LwJU/view
*Pure Publications reserves the right to track your usage of this publication, snoop on your home address, go through your bins and sell personal information on to the highest bidder.
Warning may contain Wholesome Tales[/b]
the crabbit will suffer neither sleight of hand nor half-truths. - Forest
Pettytyrant101- Crabbitmeister
- Posts : 46773
Join date : 2011-02-14
Age : 52
Location : Scotshobbitland
Page 2 of 2 • 1, 2
![-](https://2img.net/i/empty.gif)
» The Death Of Saruman...
» Sam is way better than Frodo
» the mysterious death of Frodo's parents
» Lore: The Nature of Saruman's Ring and him as a Ring-Maker
» Frodo: Book vs. Movie
» Sam is way better than Frodo
» the mysterious death of Frodo's parents
» Lore: The Nature of Saruman's Ring and him as a Ring-Maker
» Frodo: Book vs. Movie
Page 2 of 2
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum