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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:05 pm

This gets worse! First I miss the comment and subsequent unheard off Norc bashfullness- now it sounds ever more intriguing and I still dont have a clue. Mad

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Post by Norc Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:28 pm

I saw this post about SHerlock not being a sosiopath but having asbergers. I take no credit.
Oh, look, another symptom of Asperger’s Syndrome, not sociopathy.

Okay, it’s unpopular opinion time. Ignore me if you wish.

Alright. Let me start this little rant by saying that I’m absolutely sick of people claiming Sherlock Holmes to be a ‘sociopath’. He isn’t. Allow me to also say that I know how similar Asperger’s and sociopathy can seem, in certain cases, and that’s because I was misdiagnosed as a sociopath awhile back. I have Asperger’s Syndrome. As does Sherlock.

Common symptoms of high-functioning sociopathy:

Superficial charm
Manipulative and conning
Grandiose sense of self
Pathological lying
Lack of remorse, shame, or guilt
Incapability to love
Need for stimulation
Lack of empathy/inability to relate
Irresponsibility
Lack of realistic life plan
Extreme intelligence
Common symptoms of high-functioning Asperger’s Syndrome:

Issues picking in on social cues (ex: When someone is upset with them, or being sarcastic, it’s very hard for them to tell)
Appear to lack empathy/inability to relate
His or her speech may be flat
Formal style of speaking
May avoid eye contact (me) or stare at others (Sherlock)
Talk a lot, usually on favorite subject; inability to tell when boring the listener
Internal thoughts are often verbalized (ex: Seeming blunt or rude by telling someone they’re stupid, merely because they have no filter)
Extremely heightened senses (GEE I WONDER WHY SHERLOCK CAN SMELL AND HEAR AND TASTE AND SEE EVERYTHING)
Highly intelligent/logical way of thinking
Tendency to mimic others, especially people they like (JAWN)
Depression
Anxiety
Typically only keep few, very close friends
Can go days without speaking, and eating very little, especially when drained
SO NOW THAT THAT’S COVERED. Let’s move on, shall we?

Sherlock Holmes grew up with the Holmes family, a respectable family. Behavior is learned, especially for those with Asperger’s. Why is Sherlock so proper? Why is he so cunning? Why does he dress the way he does? Well, that may just have something to do with the people he grew up with.

Is he manipulating? Of course. Yet, isn’t Mycroft? Hm. I wonder where he learned that trait. Not only that, but he’s doing it for basic information, not just for pure entertainment as a sociopath would. Let’s be serious. He doesn’t fool around. Oh, did I mention that’s another symptom of Asperger’s? Conversation and action for purpose, not for pleasure; very precise.

Let’s also toy around with a very common controversial topic within the Sherlock fandom: Sherlock does feel. He does love. He does care. The whole reason he jumped was because he cared. He cares for John, he cares for Mrs. Hudson, and he cares for Lestrade. John is his best friend, Mrs. Hudson is his mother figure, and Lestrade is his friend and his work. Without those, he would have been nothing. It would have destroyed him. Therefore, he destroyed himself in sacrifice (which we all know was faked, blah, blah, but the sentiment is still there, blah, blah).

While Sherlock may not have the physically clumsy symptoms of those with Asperger’s (I don’t either), that’s typical for someone of his age, as it’s something you usually grow out of as you get older. Asperger’s is a lifelong disorder. It never goes away, and there’s no medication that targets each symptom. You treat what you can, and live with what you can’t.

His need for stimulation, I think, has to do with his basic frustration and his work, as a matter of fact. Sherlock does drugs. Okay? That’s common knowledge within this fandom. He likes his drugs. Why does he do them? Well, to quote him, ‘they help him think’.

In all reality, it’s somewhat correct. The drugs Sherlock takes heighten his senses to an even more extreme degree, making him the observant smartass that he is. Not only that, but they speed up his thought process, and mixing that all in with his intelligence level, makes for one smart cookie.

I also believe that he’s just…frustrated. It’s hard. It really is. He knows he’s not like everyone else, which is why he’s clung onto the sociopath nonsense. He truly believes that he is a sociopath, probably because he’s done research on it and saw a partial match. It was something, finally something, he could relate to. Because I did the same goddamn thing. He knows it doesn’t fit perfectly. Moriarty knows it doesn’t fit perfectly. ‘We both know that’s not quite true’. He knows. He just has nothing else to hold onto.

Rant over. Knowledge is power. Blah, blah, blah.

The end.
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Post by Norc Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:29 pm

[LOL DELETED SUCKERS! I CHANGED MY MIND... AGAIN]


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Post by Eldorion Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:38 pm

I think the Sherlock Asperberg's theory has been around for a while. I'm no expert on Asperger's but it's always sounded reasonable to me.
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Post by Norc Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:39 pm

I became an expert on asbergers when I watched the court on TV from the terror thing. if he's sane, it's an insult to sane people. not saying people with asbergers grow up to be massmurderers with twisted logics, but there is something in his head that isn't screwed well together.
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Post by Eldorion Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:46 pm

Sherlock's not a mass murderer either, though. scratch

Edit: I'm not really sure what you're saying. Having Asperger's doesn't make someone insane, if that's what you mean.
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Post by Norc Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:50 pm

no, it wasn't what I was saying. You know the terrorist? yeah, the court was sent live on TV adn there was a large disput if he was to be sane or insane. Loads of different theories came up, which lead to many experts laying them out and explaining in detail alot of different psyciatric stuff, like asberger and authism. They clearly said it didn't make people insane, but together and combined with a difficult childhood and no one seeing all this, it could develop. he got off track. Like asbergers they become really good at some things and learn behaviours.. and he had little influence from other, no friends, so ... yeah. I am too tired to write anything more..
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Post by Norc Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:51 pm

I am sorry, I switched person without saying so Razz
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Post by Eldorion Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:51 pm

Oh, you're talking about Breivik?

Maybe it's just me, but you seem especially spazmuffinish recently. Sofa
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Post by Norc Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:54 pm

well.... it's late, the hobbit premier is in exactly 24 hours.. i have german test tomorrow, haven't read, having history homework, not done, by tomorrow, and concert tommorrow.. not havign practices..d.d .. and i can't write fucking english anymore..
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:02 pm

I had assumed Norcs spazmuffinish of late was simply down to her having turned 18 and still aclimitising to an all buckie diet. Nod

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Post by Norc Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:03 pm

what.. no...

(wow.. I told you guys what I deleted... but no one noticed it.. I'm gonna go and delete it again Twisted Evil )
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Post by azriel Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:07 pm

"and i can't write fucking english anymore.."
You got THAT bit of English right! lol Laughing


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Post by Pettytyrant101 Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:38 pm

but no one noticed it- Norc

I did! Shocked Just be careful you dont go blind!

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Post by Norc Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:02 am

-incert appropriate emoticon-
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Post by Norc Thu Dec 13, 2012 7:34 am

Martin Freeman answering a question regarding the filthy, pornographic fanfiction and fanart going around on the internett (in a hobbit interview Shocked notice at least the last two questions are about Sherlock)
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Like they've been spying!
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Post by MeikoElektra Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:52 pm

I won the Sherlock Holmes award at work Very Happy Cool

Mostly it was for data analysis but I'm also the one who hunts down people who haven't paid their invoices and I was the one who figured out the murder mystery game at our staff retreat.

Given that Sherlock (both in the book and the BBC show) is one of my favourite characters EVER and as I aspire to be him (when I'm not trying to be Aragorn) I'm absolutely chuffed.

BTW love love love the BBC adaptation. I was really really sceptical when I saw it was set in the present as it takes a heck of a good job to pull off a modern adaptation, especially of such a much-loved and much-visualised character, but they did it brilliantly. Only other modern (well, actually alternate universe really) adaptation that I've truly enjoyed was Romeo+Juliet.

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Post by Eldorion Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:53 pm

I love the idea of a Sherlock Holmes Award. Very Happy
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Post by MeikoElektra Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:09 am

Me too Eldo! There were fun awards for everyone, but the Sherlock one was the one I wanted Smile

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Post by Eldorion Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:32 pm

Reassuring news that perhaps Sherlock series 3 won't be the last. Very Happy

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-editors/exclusive-benedict-cumberbatch-talks-terrorist-star-trek-darkness-231459433.html

Some might hope however that 'Into Darkness' bombs — so Cumberbatch does not become too famous to keep playing Sherlock Holmes in the masterful BBC series. Will he ever get too big for 'Sherlock'?

"No! Absolutely not," he said. "I don't think that's a possibility because I love it to much. Making [Sherlock] is all about availability. Martin Freeman [who plays Watson] has the same kind of pressures on him now. It's a thing of quality not quantity that show - thank god. We started young with it. We started when they meet and we still are young for those roles. There's no reason why it can't continue until we get too old."
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Post by Norc Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:03 pm

cheers
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Post by Mrs Figg Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:13 pm

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Post by David H Fri Dec 21, 2012 5:20 pm

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Post by halfwise Fri Dec 21, 2012 7:00 pm

drunken albino :carrot: Cheerleader

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Post by Norc Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:06 pm

this is not bumping a thread.
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