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Post by Pettytyrant101 Fri May 21, 2021 8:07 pm

{{{ Just to give an update on how Brexit is going.

Fishing is still screwed, deliveries require a ton of paperwork and are often held up or sent back for not having the right paperwork. And when it does get through it may face blockades and delays (not good for fresh sea food) at French ports from angry French fishermen. The EU has outright banned the sale of UK shellfish in the EU effectively ending the shellfish industry here.

Boris and co are in the middle of signing a trade deal with Australia and NZ which will see lamb and beef prodcers from there getting full access to our market. As they produice vastly more of this than we ever could they will inevitably flood the market and destroy the UK beef and lamb industry.
Boris govt response to this inevitablitiy is that under the guise of needing more new, younger blood to take up farming, they are offering large sums of money to farmers to retire and give up farming. And no Im not making that up.

And then there is the Northern Ireland protocol- in short the border and all its rules between UK and EU has yet to come into force, we have been in a grace period designed to prepare and be ready for full implementation of the border, and its caused enough trouble in NI among angry Unionists already in this period and with trade between NI and the UK mainland, when it comes fully into force its going to be much worse.
Knowing this Boris decided that it was best to extend the grace period, and did so by several years. Problem is he didnt consult the EU and its in breach of the agreed treaty Boris signed on Brexit with the EU. With the result the EU is taking the UK to the International Court fo breach of an international treaty.
Big problem for Boris is yes we did just unilaterally alter the treaty in violation of the law, and there is no alternative to the Protocol as putting the border rigth across Ireland would be worse, and when it comes into full force it will make things much harder in NI and enfuriate Unionists whislt making a joining of NI and southern into one country far more likely. But as this is Ireland almost certainly not without a lot of violence and blood shed on the way.

So yeah, its going well.....}}

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Post by Mrs Figg Fri May 21, 2021 8:36 pm

"that under the guise of needing more new, younger blood to take up farming, they are offering large sums of money to farmers to retire and give up farming. And no Im not making that up."

So bribes to pension age farmers to keep them sweet then. But what if they want to pass down the farm to their kids? I think most farms are family run businesses which are handed down through generations, there is no way they will just close up shop. Farming is more than just a job, its also a way of life and a vocation, its history and culture and the Tories think chucking money at them will make the 'problem' go away. It ain't going to work. On the other hand, a lot of these farmers voted for Brexit, thinking about sunny uplands, and knowing they would lose EU subsidies, but they didn't vote to lose their businesses.

Its f-ing Absurd, but this is par for the course.
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Post by halfwise Fri May 21, 2021 9:19 pm

It's good to hear most farms are still family owned over there, not so true here. But bribing farmers to retire is the surest way I can think of to hasten the onslaught of corporate farming. Well done indeed.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Fri May 21, 2021 9:25 pm

'The National Farmers' Union (NFU) has warned that freeing up the UK-Australian trade in meat will lead to hundreds of British cow and sheep breeders going out of business.
NFU president Minette Batters said removing tariffs on these products would "have a massive impact" on British farms, which would be unable to compete, in terms of scale, with Australia's vast cattle and sheep stations.
She added: "We continue to maintain that a tariff-free trade deal with Australia will jeopardise our own farming industry and will cause the demise of many, many beef and sheep farms throughout the UK."
The Scottish and Welsh governments have both urged Mr Johnson to ensure UK farmers are not left exposed.
And Northern Ireland's agriculture minister, Edwin Poots, said he was "strongly opposed" to ending tariffs and quotas.'- BBC

{{ The response from the Tories, not just the bribes but what they suggest farmers do is beyond belief-

Conservative MP Neil Parish, chairman of the Commons Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Committee, said UK farmers could succeed in the beef market by exporting more "higher-end" cuts, such as sirloin, to Australia.

Its the same insulting response as to the demise of fishing exports, that we should all just eat more fish. }}

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Post by Mrs Figg Fri May 21, 2021 10:28 pm

The UK is being run by incompetent fools. Like trying to sell cheese to the Chinese/Japanese, who are lactose intolerant. It beggars belief. People need to wake up before its too late.
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