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Post by halfwise on Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:15 pm

Whoa, Steven Colbert did a cast interview to accompany the trailer:

https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1YqJDpQDeAaJV

Some take aways:

• You have to wait about 30 seconds for it to start

• We get some shots we DON'T get in the trailer.  Worth watching just for that.

• Villanueve insisted on shooting in real desert.  I about 80% agree with that - but because Dune should be a desert like no other the real thing can't live up to it.  Hence Forest's complaint about it looking a bit drab.  I think it should be shot in the desert, but then enhanced to bring it to a new level.

• The adab eyes stand out more than in the trailer.  I think it's about right.

• Rebecca Ferguson just GLOWS in real life, in a way that isn't captured on her screen version.  If I was in her presence I'd be reduced to stuttering gibbering goo.  Good god but she's gorgeous.

• Sharon Duncan-Brewster obviously did her research on the part, and can offer a clear analysis of Liet-Kynes as portrayed in the book.   I'm less bothered by her as a pc replacement now.

• Oscar Isaac and Josh Brolin both have a great sense of humor

• I still can't get over how gorgeous Rebecca Ferguson is in the interview compared to anywhere else I've seen her.  It must be a combination of after-desert glow and being herself.  Off to a cold shower.

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:38 pm

Geezus Halfy Laughing

But yeah, when I first saw her in Mission Impossible 4 or whatever i was pretty taken.

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Post by halfwise on Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:06 pm

She doesn't jump out at me anyplace except this interview.   It's a long interview and you may not have been motivated to watch much - jump to 6:00 for an eyeful. Haven't seen Mission Impossible 4 so don't know how it compares.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:28 pm

{{ I'll give it a nosey Halfy, sounds visually very interesting, and the film too. Nod }}

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Post by Forest Shepherd on Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:31 am

Laughing

Actually it was MI5: Rogue Nation (2015). It's certainly my favourite MI movie, and absolutely delighted me when I watched it in theaters.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:07 pm

{{ Rewatching the trailer something else gave me some cause for concern, again in the dialogue. Paul uses the word 'crusade' instead of the more usually applied in the book 'jihad'. I hope they are not going to be downplaying the arabic and muslim aspects to Arrakis. Or worse, removing them altogether.}}

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Post by halfwise on Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:29 am

Yeah, I noticed that too. I sort of understand, but the muslim aspect was so essential to the framework I'm not too happy about it.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:34 am

{{ It is a bit of a worry. Dune is troubling in some ways in modern times depending how you take what Herbert is saying. On one level you can see it as white European goes to foreign land of arab types and becomes 'oneof them' but better than them, becoming their messiah and leader and saving them. Made worse by the clear indications that House Atreides is based off Greek/Roman heritage, the Fremen off Arabic and African culture, and various other groups represent the evoloved descendants of Judiasm, Catholicism/Protestants ect. Its a big part of the cultures of Dune and the commentary being made thereoff.
Now for my own reading of the books I dont find for example that Pauls role among the Fremen in any way depreciates or underplays the Fremen themselves or their culture, it does not feel like appropration to me. However conveying that within the confines of a movie runtime, thats trickier and could easily fall back into sloppy stereotypes, but removng it all together will remove a huge chunk of the flavour, and the point and the lore of the Dune universe.
After all Mentats, the human computers only exists because of a jihad against thinking machines and AI, that then passes into religous doctrine in the Orange Catholic Bible, prohibiting the devleopment or use of machines that think like a human. Religion, in all its forms, how they interact, and what each represents in their culture, and how all of that has for centuries been maniplated and implanted in socieities by the Bene Gessirit for their own ends is difficult to remove from the narrative as its central to how and why Paul rises to the position he does. The Messiah prophecies were deliberetly seeded in many worlds and cultures for this purpose (well almost it wasnt meant to to be Paul, but thats the point, its crucial to understanding what goes on) and its all tied back in subtle ways to the various religious mythlogies that still exist in the Dune universe and their interactions.
Which brings it back to the question of if the religous and cultural motifs of the book are going to be as prevelant, important or even present in the film. I am not so sure they are from what Ive seen and heard so far. }}

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Post by halfwise on Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:38 pm

It's a good point that all the religious subtleties and sensitivities could be lost in the rush of a 4 hour combined run time. I suspect they'll try to mask the religious identities, and went for "crusade" as the less triggering term for their english speaking audience. I wonder if when shown in Muslim countries "jihad" will be dubbed in. Probably.

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Post by halfwise on Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:22 pm

I would prefer hearing the dialogue from both.

There's a lot about Lynch's dune I like; I think the desert looks better and I prefer the triple jawed sandworms. I also prefer his version of the gom jabbar itself as more realistic.

As for Lynch's mucking with the story versus Villanueve's mucking with the story, we shall see. Lynch's introduction of the voice amplifier ruined things for me. I don't mind Villanueve's Liet Kynes substitution, but it remains to be seen if he goes too far in sanitizing the religious aspects.

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