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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:25 pm

{{ I see Israel are about to embark on another international crime spree annexing Palestian land. Witht efull support of Trump and his joke of a 'peace plan' which just hands Israel everything. }}

'50 UN human rights experts have condemned Israel's plan to annex parts of the occupied West Bank, calling it a "vision of a 21st Century apartheid".
"The annexation of occupied territory is a serious violation of the Charter of the United Nations and the Geneva Conventions, and contrary to the fundamental rule affirmed many times by the United Nations Security Council and General Assembly that the acquisition of territory by war or force is inadmissible."
They added that the Israeli occupation was already a "source of profound human rights violations against the Palestinian people", and that they "would only intensify after annexation".

"Israel has recently promised that it will maintain permanent security control between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River. Thus, the morning after annexation would be the crystallisation of an already unjust reality: two peoples living in the same space, ruled by the same state, but with profoundly unequal rights. This is a vision of a 21st Century apartheid."

So thats the US now- giving the green light to breaking international laws left right and centre. So much for the law and order President. Fucking criminal.
Is he and the rest of the Republican Israel loiving party too stupid to realise this gives the green light to Russia to annexe even more of Ukraine and China to take what they want?
Putting aside its unfair, cruel, brutal and will lead to many Palestinian deaths what Israel is about to do with US blessing and backing, it destroys any hope of international law prevailing to.
Sorry America but these days, I fucking hate your country. Its a source of evil and divisiviness in the world where once it was a beacon of hope, as country Trump has made it sick to the core.
And whats reallty worrying is that it appears most Amercians cant veen see it and will relect this international calamity and disater again.}}}}

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Post by halfwise on Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:00 pm

America has actually had an extremely lax policy regarding Israel since the beginning: vetoing every complaint the UN security council has brought against it. Trump is just loosening it even more. I believe the thinking is that Israel is the only pro-American country and democracy in the middle east, which I don't buy because the US and Saudi Arabia have been smooching in the back seat for nearly as long.

So though I agree Trump has made things worse, US-Israel policy has never been a bright spot. It's one of the many reasons why the US has always been condemned in the middle east. The other biggy is the realpolitik of propping up dictators. America excels at that.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:09 pm

{{ America has never been good true, but at least in the past there was some attempt to create a compromise situation, to search for a tw-o-state solution, there is no compromise here its just agreen light for Israel to go in with force, steal all the land and the homes of Palestinians and put jewish families in them. Its a clear war crime, plain and simple. Equal to Putins invasion of Ukraine, worse as at least there a lot of the Ukraininans in that area self identified as Russian. No one in Palestinian terority is self identifying as Jewish. Its just a brutal illegal land grab.
No previous US President has gone even close to this far in green lighting such aggression and law breaking. Let alone actively supporting the breaking of international law.}}

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:29 pm


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Post by Mrs Figg on Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:23 pm

The woke wankers are now attacking Starmer because he called the BLM movment a 'moment'. The twitter twaterati Thought Police are out in force.

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Post by Mrs Figg on Mon Jun 29, 2020 10:25 pm

Pettytyrant101 wrote:

Is Pie the only person in the country who speaks the truth? Shrugging

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:30 am

{{ It is getting very worrying. Especially when folk are being tageted for things they said or did years ago when societal norms may have been different.
And current ideas of morality in public life will change again in time too, it always does. Morality moves.
Homosexuality as been accepted and denied in equal measure throughout human societies and history. As have trans folk. The status of women has fluctauted from rulers, goddessess and High Priestess to little more than slave, over and over. Hell that moral scale still exists concurrently for women right now on this planet as we speak, and dependent where on the surface of this rock you are born. There is no norm. There is just ever shifting societal norms.
The task therefore is to preserve the history of who we are and where we've been, so as to better judge where to go.
And you cant do that by closing down opinions you dont like refusing to listen to counter arguments, wiping out historical records because you dont agree with what the people of the past believed.
Contextualise yes, put statues in musuems, or provide all the facts on site for folk to judge for themselves how they feel.
You cant purge human darkness unless you first shine a light on it. And you cant confront it if its never allowed to be heard or seen.
Making stuff so that people are too scared to speak their true thoughts doesnt remove those thoughts, it makes them more dangerous, powerful and certaiin.
Thats why every time a religion is put under threat, made illegal, persecuted, its followers only grow firmer and more determined.
You dont beat a racist by hiding them away, you do it by publicly and clearly winning the argument.
You contrast facts, human compassion and humility, and the need for always better understanding against muddled thinking, misunderstood ideas driven by unassociated angers and fears. You expose it for what it is, for all to see.
Silencing folk, destroying historical knowledge, that wont help anything. It'll make it worse. And it turns the peole fighting for freedoms and rights into those who will then deny them for all others.}}

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Post by Lancebloke on Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:58 am

Petty.... I completely agree with that last post!

No matter how vile someone's thought process may seem to you, it seems right to them and shutting it down tends to make them a martyr to the cause, creates underground echo chambers and results in a more confident and determined set of people longer term.

The only time it is OK to take someone out of the equation is if there is a genuine, evidence based threat to life.

I am also very much of the opinion that free will is not a thing either. People we make decisions and have thoughts based on their own genetics and the experiences that have helped shaped their brains. You can't just tell someone a thought or action is wrong if they have been told it is right (and with reasons why) all their life.
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Post by Mrs Figg on Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:21 pm

100% agree Petty. I have been particularly appalled by the treatment of JK Rowling. But then Twitter is a cess-pit, its probably wiser to ignore it.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:35 pm

{{ You about Dave? Need Trump fact checked by a farmer- just watched his press conference in which he said that thanks to him 'Farmers are doing very well, very well' and China is buying more stuff from US farmers than ever before.

Are you and your fellow farmers doing very well and selling to China? }}

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Post by Mrs Figg on Sat Jul 18, 2020 12:42 pm

Cant wait for the Russia report to come out next week. Gonna get my popcorn ready.  Laughing  :pac:

btw can we have a popcorn munching emoticon please. it is going to come in handy, what with Brexit.

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sat Jul 18, 2020 4:05 pm

{{ Might need to order extra popcorn Figg, we might also get the long delayed report into bullying by Home Sec. Pretti Patel. }}

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Post by Mrs Figg on Sat Jul 18, 2020 7:36 pm

Very Happy  I think that Julian Lewis may just publish everything he can. Talk about shooting themselves in the foot, Johnson and his cronies are idjits. fancy expelling him and then expecting loyalty. Rolling Eyes

I hope there are some PMQs and Starmer can get stuck in, but I think they are on their hols now?

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Post by Pettytyrant101 on Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:45 am

{{ Theres been a lot of movement recently in the US inparticular admitting that they have tracked UFO's and dont know what they are.
Now the New York Times is carrying this story implying we have alien materials-

'Mr. Elizondo is among a small group of former government officials and scientists with security clearances who, without presenting physical proof, say they are convinced that objects of undetermined origin have crashed on earth with materials retrieved for study...Eric W. Davis, an astrophysicist who worked as a subcontractor and then a consultant for the Pentagon U.F.O. program since 2007, said that, in some cases, examination of the materials had so far failed to determine their source and led him to conclude, “We couldn’t make it ourselves.”
The constraints on discussing classified programs — and the ambiguity of information cited in unclassified slides from the briefings — have put officials who have studied U.F.O.s in the position of stating their views without presenting any hard evidence.
Mr. Davis, who now works for Aerospace Corporation, a defense contractor, said he gave a classified briefing to a Defense Department agency as recently as March about retrievals from “off-world vehicles not made on this earth.”
Mr. Davis said he also gave classified briefings on retrievals of unexplained objects to staff members of the Senate Armed Services Committee on Oct. 21, 2019, and to staff members of the Senate Intelligence Committee two days later.- New York Times

Things are sounding interesting! }}

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Post by halfwise on Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:36 am

Until it gets passed around and confirmed some more I won't get excited. To many false leads over the decades, and too big a story to keep getting worked up about. That way is the path to exhaustion.

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Post by Mrs Figg on Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:24 pm

But still....exciting bounce

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