BEORN THE SHAPE SHIFTER

Pettytyrant101 wrote:I think its just Pj thats doing the confusing here leelee. Beorn in the book is not the last of his kind and Azog did not hunt down and torment and kill all his people.
And he goes on to have descendents so its seems more like a weird shapeshifter gene that has got passed done a certain lineage of men to me.
Book Beorn is a sort of survivalist in attitude, he would definitely tell you to get off his land, if you were really lucky, chase you off his land if you were lucky, and if your unlucky and a warg, catch you, kill you, skin you, and hang your pelt up as a warning to others to stay off his land.
Yet he has a sense of humour than can be appealed to, as Gandalf does, and a sense of justice and fairness and with the exception of orcs and wargs he doesnt kill living things. He is also impatient and a bit testy but seems to have much more control in bear form than in the films.

Sadly we get none of the book personality in the film, just a lot of made up exposition to justify why he will be in the battle at the end, as in PJ's ME everyone needs a story arc and a journey and to be part of something bigger, no one is allowed to act independently or have their own ideas and thoughts or to have their character expressed indirectly through their actions and words.

As to how Azog and co could take on all the Beornings and kill them all, yet a fairly sizeable group of them plus wargs are too scared to tackle even one- thats just another PJ inconsistency you are politely meant not to notice among the many, many glaring faults in the scripting. PJ hopes you will instead be so awed by useless spectacle you won't question that its complete  rubbish.

The Hobbit: Queer Lodgings wrote:He is a skin-changer. He changes his skin: sometimes he is a huge black bear, sometimes he is a great strong black-haired man with huge arms and a great beard. I cannot tell you much more, though that ought to be enough. Some say that he is a bear descended from the great and ancient bears of the mountains that lived there before the giants came. Others say that he is a man descended from the first men who lived before Smaug or the other dragons came into this part of the world, and before the goblins came into the hills out of the North. I cannot say, though I fancy the last is the true tale. He is not the sort of person to ask questions of.

bungobaggins wrote:

The Hobbit: Queer Lodgings wrote:He is a skin-changer. He changes his skin: sometimes he is a huge black bear, sometimes he is a great strong black-haired man with huge arms and a great beard. I cannot tell you much more, though that ought to be enough. Some say that he is a bear descended from the great and ancient bears of the mountains that lived there before the giants came. Others say that he is a man descended from the first men who lived before Smaug or the other dragons came into this part of the world, and before the goblins came into the hills out of the North. I cannot say, though I fancy the last is the true tale. He is not the sort of person to ask questions of.

That's it, no direct connection to the goblins. No "torturing skin-changers," and certainly no Azog! God these movies are a big fucking mess!

bungobaggins wrote:

The Hobbit: Queer Lodgings wrote:I cannot say, though I fancy the last is the true tale. He is not the sort of person to ask questions of.

azriel wrote:Everything about that trio gets me angry. ( PJ, Boyens & the other daft bint! )

Sinister71 wrote:leelee in the book orcs and goblins are pretty much interchangeable beings, there never was any mention of Beorn or them in any way interacting before Beorn going and confirming Gandalf's story. (Other than Beorn not liking the evil beings..)Where as he interrogates an orc (later killing it of course)and skins the warg. but Beorn was a good person hating evil beings. In Tolkien's middle earth I do not believe there ever was any real connection between Beorn and the Goblins/Orcs other than he didn't want any of the evil creatures invading his territory...

Jackson took several liberties with what Tolkien wrote, to the point that he pretty much rewrote whole big sections of the book for his own. IMHO worthless need.

In the book it is never mentioned how many of Beorn's kind there are but it definitely is NOT he is the last of his kind or any such nonsense. All that is really said is that after the BO5A the Beornings came into being.

bungobaggins wrote:

The Hobbit: Queer Lodgings wrote:He is a skin-changer. He changes his skin: sometimes he is a huge black bear, sometimes he is a great strong black-haired man with huge arms and a great beard. I cannot tell you much more, though that ought to be enough. Some say that he is a bear descended from the great and ancient bears of the mountains that lived there before the giants came. Others say that he is a man descended from the first men who lived before Smaug or the other dragons came into this part of the world, and before the goblins came into the hills out of the North. I cannot say, though I fancy the last is the true tale. He is not the sort of person to ask questions of.

That's it, no direct connection to the goblins. No "torturing skin-changers," and certainly no Azog! God these movies are a big fucking mess!