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Post by Forest Shepherd Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:45 am

What's with this "Sherlock and Watson."
Call them "John and Sherlock" or "Watson and Holmes."

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Post by Mrs Figg Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:51 pm

I think the Doctor and Clara just alone together should be strong enough without the need for 3 extra characters bolstering the plot.
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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sat Aug 30, 2014 2:41 pm

I dont see how thats any different from the cast of characters from UNIT that were the 'to go to regulars' in Classic.
And Rose's mum and Mickey served the exact same purpose in the RTD run too. Look how often RTD era touched base with them and went back to present day London. It felt like every other week, or every week sometimes.
The Paternost Gang have had four appearances in comparison.

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Post by Mrs Figg Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:47 pm

Roses family were part of Roses story arc, integral to her growth as a person. Not just plonked in for pop culture references.
Anyway I am looking forward to tonights new episode, I hope it is just the Doctor and Clara developing their friendship or whatever it is. I think I am going to like Capaldi. Very Happy

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Post by Mrs Figg Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:28 pm

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Post by malickfan Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:59 pm

My thoughts on 'Into the Dalek'-Spoilers:

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Post by malickfan Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:11 pm

I think it's natural Doctor Who (and it's title character) would be feeling a bit labored by this point (though to what degree, if of course personal opinion), the new show in old by British TV standards, the franchise on the whole Ancient, I guess there isn't that much you can do with overused villains, a 45 minute time slot and audience/management standards to meet. Hell, if anyone think's they can do better, by all means send in your ideas (shame PJ isn't susceptible...)

As for the Doctor-Capaldi is 56, a massive fan of the Older series and an actor with a vast back catalogue, in some ways a more muted take on the character would make sense from his perspective. I guess, he hasn't got as much to prove in some ways, he was cast to break the mould and write to his strengths, another manic over energetic 'friendly doctor' would be rather stale i.m.o. I always related to the more restrained, yet arrogant/darker aspects of the Doctor than his eccentric outwardly alien aspects anyway-why Hartnell is my fave, he never acted that Alien but stilll feels it, and he seemed to care if people liked him that much. Capalid seems both restrained and distant, yet totally grabs my attention as a viewer, so I guess he's suceeding so far.

I guess after hating hiself for 1200 years for causing a genocide that never actually happened, then fighting in a 900 year long war on Trenzalore he's be a bit shaken up, I get the sense they are trying to show the character finding himself again (in some ways he is, the first in a new cycle, he's trying to find his home planet and place in the universe-all the prior Doctors would running from it).

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Post by malickfan Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:13 pm

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One positive so far...a definite improvement!


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Post by Mrs Figg Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:43 pm

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Post by malickfan Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:15 pm

(Click on the spoiler bit to see my thoughts interspersed with you post)

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Post by malickfan Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:31 pm

More thoughts on Into the Dalek-Spoilers, and a reconsidered viewpoint:

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Post by Mrs Figg Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:37 pm

malickfan wrote:(Click on the spoiler bit to see my thoughts interspersed with you post)

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Post by malickfan Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:56 pm

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I think it was the verbal delivery, he seemed unnatural, a bit actor-y, fair enough, I think it's just going to take his time to find his feet, actually on relection I can see where you are coming from, he does seem more easier to read when he's bouncing off another actor. I actually think he gave a better performance in Deep Breath. I hope the rumours about Chris Addison joining as companion are true-he had great chemistry with Capaldi in The Thick of It, and actually seems a pretty decent actor for a stand up comedian.

Yeah Eccleston nailed it straight off the bat, but I liked Tennant tooI did like Tennant alot, as I grew up with him, but after watching back some of his stuff recently it seemed a bit, well cheesy to me, very of it's time, all the other doctors felt kinda timeless to me, but Tennant comes across as too human/grounded, got kinda boring...he was at his best in the Darker moments (Waters of Mars, Midnight) though that seems the same of all the doctors

I like John Hurt, great performance but I didn't see much point in the War DoctorI'm not very familiar with Mcgann's audios but from the snippets I've seen 8 just doesn't seem like he has in in him to commit genocide, makes it more tragic I guess, building it up so long only for him to fail at it. I thought the War Doctor was a great idea, I like the fact that he was stuck fighting a war we don't see for his entire existence (the doctor should remain a little mysterious), it seemed to be tribute of sorts to earlier anniversaries (grumpier older doctor dissapointed/out of place with his successors) and Hurt gave off a very classical vibe, in anycase it was one hell of cliff hanger in NOTD and provided alot of publicty for the special, it was pretty cool seeing such a big movie star in a pokey little sci fi show. Each to their own I guess. It's a shame they probably won't do much with him in expanded media

yeah bloody boring my socks off too, RA is a one noteseriously what do people see that I'm not??? I'm convinced people on TORn like him because he's 'tragic and brave with nice hair'.

woah! steady on! I wouldnt go that far  Laughing Well, it's a start. I agree on Pink, seems intriguing, though I've alwasy liked Clara (it might help I only watched about half of series 7)



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Post by malickfan Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:10 pm

Apparently in the leaked unfinished version, there is a different ending
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Post by Mrs Figg Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:16 pm

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Post by Mrs Figg Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:20 pm

malickfan wrote:Apparently in the leaked unfinished version, there is a different ending
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Post by malickfan Sat Aug 30, 2014 11:26 pm

Mrs Figg wrote:Thing is when capaldi asked 'am I a good man?' that didnt feel right somehow. He is a good man, it seems a bit angsty just picturing Capaldi in Twilight now for the sake of it. Maybe its all part of the reajustment period. Its like they are retconning a heart of darkness to suit the new Doctors style rather than the heart of darkness coming from the story. if you get my drift.

That's a good point Moffat effectively reversed the character arc of the New Series with DOTD, you'd think he'd be a bit more cheerful, I don't get the sense he's acting bad per se, merely questioning how far he will push himself, it kinda reminds me of Series 2, most of the series seemed like his was written with Eccleston in mind (I still think it woul have worked better with him actually), Tennant didn't have his own style till ep 6 or 7 imo.

Either that or he's The Valeyard Rolling Eyes

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:15 am

My thoughts on Into the Dalek

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:18 am

Saw this on Reddit:

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Post by Mrs Figg Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:54 am

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Post by Pettytyrant101 Sun Aug 31, 2014 12:56 pm

She didnt have a relationship with the Doctor though, he didnt even know who she was.

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